Cdl Kasper on Liturgy

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From Chiesa - Sandro Magister reporting:

"…And in fact many eucharistic liturgies in Latin America and central Europe are celebrated in this way, in small groups without a priest, by ordinary men and women. And there are even some in the progressivist camp who defend this practice as an innovation that the Church should approve without reservation.

On this matter, cardinal Kasper’s “no” is absolute:

“A celebration of the eucharist without the ministry of the priest is unthinkable. The ministry of the priest is integral to the celebration of the eucharist. This is also true in cases of extreme emergency. Wherever there have been situations of extreme persecution, in which it has not been possible to have a priest for years or for decades, we have never heard of a parish community or an individual group celebrating the eucharist by their own initiative, without a priest.”

The “extreme situations” referred to are, for example, that of Soviet Russia, or of China. Never was there seen in these cases the practice Kasper rejects as “inadmissible,” not for disciplinary but for theological reasons, which are developed on many of the pages in his book.

The homily – Kasper says with support from the New Testament – must also be reserved to the priest. In absolutely exceptional cases a layman could address a “spiritual address” to the community, but this must always be “distinguishable from the homily.”

Kasper contests the tendency to “interpret in a simple metaphorical and purely symbolic” sense the words of the consecration:

“The words of Jesus ‘This is my body’ and ‘This is my blood’ must be understood in the real sense, and in this sacramental sense we speak of the real presence; that is, the true, real, and substantial presence of Jesus Christ under the signs of bread and wine.”

The cardinal contests the obfuscation of the mass as sacrifice and its reduction to a meal at which “the celebration of the eucharist is almost indistinguishable from a banquet or a party.”

Another target of Kasper’s criticisms is the “functionalist” interpretation of the eucharistic liturgy:

“The mass is not a ‘service’ which, following the law of supplication and offering, is oriented primarily according to the needs or desires of certain groups. It is not a means to an end, but rather an end in itself. It must not become a ‘happening’. It is wrong to evaluate it on the basis of its capacity to entertain. The liturgical celebration must be animated, instead, by respect for the holy God and for the presence of our Lord in the sacrament. It must be a space for silence, reflection, adoration, and personal encounter with God.”

And again:

“The primary meaning of the eucharistic celebration is the ‘cultus divinus’, the glorification, adoration, praise, and exaltation of God in remembrance of his mighty deeds. This aspect becomes all the more difficult to understand in our society, which is focused upon human needs and their satisfaction. And yet, this is where lies the true reason for the crisis of the liturgy and the widespread inability to understand it. Neither the priestly ministry not the eucharist may be derived ‘from below’ and from the community. A reduction of the eucharist to its anthropological meaning would be a false renovation of the Church.”

Kasper also takes issue with the “gloomy Puritanism” of so many masses that are stripped of all solemnity:

“The candles, the vestments, the music, and everything human art has to offer, must not be eliminated as if they were superficial pomp. The entire celebration of the eucharist should be a foretaste of the coming kingdom of God. In it, the heavenly world descends to our world. This aspect is particularly vivid in the liturgy and theology of the Eastern Church. In the West, however, after the council both the liturgy and theology have unfortunately become puristic and culturally impoverished in this regard.”

As for communion, Kasper confirms that “we cannot invite everyone to receive it.” Exclusion applies especially to non-Catholics:

“The eucharist presupposes, as the sacrament of unity, that we are in full ecclesial communion, which finds its expression above all in communion with the local bishop and with the bishop of Rome, as the holder of the Petrine ministry, which is at the service of Church unity.”

But it also applies to Catholics in a state of grave sin. Kasper recalls the duty – largely fallen into disuse – to make recourse to the sacrament of penance, in order “not to eat and drink unworthily the body and blood of the Lord”: …
 
Wow, Cardinal Kasper said this stuff. His stock just went up a little in my book, not that it matters. I figured he would love this stuff, I was mistaken and I apologize to the good Cardinal. We have a lay woman who gives homily at my university center, the rosary beads come out that day.
 
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Wow, Cardinal Kasper said this stuff. His stock just went up a little in my book, not that it matters. I figured he would love this stuff, I was mistaken and I apologize to the good Cardinal. We have a lay woman who gives homily at my university center, the rosary beads come out that day.
Being no admirer of Cardinal Kasper I was stunned, not by the content but the author - and while I share the cynicism of those who view the effort of his book as providing fuel for status in the next conclave, the important thing to me is that he has said it This is a prime indicator that the pope’s request to all curial offices to affirm his statements on the Year of the Eucharist, to enhance the protection of the sacred species and specifically to clarify its status in the liturgy is being obeyed. I take it as a wonderful sign that the pope indeed can still make his will known and get it implemented.

It is IMO a good statement and together with the Kolvenbach statement on interfaith dialogue (see Non-Catholic forum) says the letters and complaints to Rome are indeed bearing fruit.
 
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HagiaSophia:
Being no admirer of Cardinal Kasper I was stunned,
Hagia Sophia: I know nothing about this cardinal, but he seems to be a bit of a lightening rod on the forums (somebody said he was once a Methodist?). Can you tell me about him or provide me with links? I can trust you not to hook me up with Traditio or SSPX Online! 🙂
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Hagia Sophia: I know nothing about this cardinal, but he seems to be a bit of a lightening rod on the forums (somebody said he was once a Methodist?). Can you tell me about him or provide me with links? I can trust you not to hook me up with Traditio or SSPX Online! 🙂
Kasper is certainly a lightening rod and not just in the forum.🙂 As far as being a former Methodist - well, some people here post from rather “unusual sources” - I cannot say but he was ordained at age 24 so if he was it was as a child - somehow, I simply don’t recall ever hearing that before this forum.😛

My information about Kasper comes mainly from being a Vatican watcher, and an avid reader particulary on church governance. And this is a man that plenty gets written about or by. The most famous area of his work has been in what is now coming to be called the Kasper-Ratzinger debates. This concerns the future governance of the church and has been going on for about 4-5 years now.

As for position he leads the far left progressive movement in the Vatican and his associates (or accomplices as some wag put it) are the roster of usual names. As to position, he and Ratz are about 180 degrees apart and the feisty old cardinal of Cologne recently asked him aloud why every theologian he brought to the Vatican was “a heretic” – it was meant to be half serious, half a joke but there is no question Kasper has been on the cutting edge of far can you go before you fall down.

He now heads the ecumenical group which tries to move the farthest, the fastest. Having said all that, he is an articulate, shrewd, (some would say cunning) brilliant man whether you agree or disagree with him and the debates which he and Ratzinger have engaged in on church goverance will be the determining factor in how the church is governed and what limits will be placed on future popes, the powers of national councils, the admiistrative breadth of bishops, and collegiality (that bugaboo) just to mention a few items. These boys debate on major issues - nothing minor in them.

In the church he has powerful friends, and powerful influence but has also garnered some powerful enemies and detractors.

IMO two things are going on here.

1)The pope had notified all curial offices he expected that each of them would do and provide him with reports on their efforts to affirm his recent document on Eucharist in this the Year of the Eucharist. So when you see people like Kasper issuing statements like this, you know the “old man” is still running the place.

In theological circles it is called “clarification” of position. It clears the air among his “fellow bishops” to affirm magisterial positions and you have to admit he does have German clarity in his writing. There have been a lot of complaints both from the laity and clergy about how far and how fast some of these interfaith and ecumenical dialogues are happening.
  1. As the pope ages and in the uncertainty of his health, some people might say that another conclave cannot be that far off - during conclave when certain positions are discussed, written work by papabile or by those sponsoring or mentoring papabile are looked at in light of “clarification of position”. One of the present pope’s strengths was that on every issue discussed during the conclave which elected him, written work ws available to show his thinking, his positions well before that time. It played a major role in getting him elected. So as we approach another conclave you will see many more statements and books in order to get “position clarification” on the part of not a few high ranking prelates.
There is probably plenty of stuff on Kasper on the net (paying no mind to the "unusual sources) for you to get the gist of his writing - but in this statement he was clear, and to the point.
 
Thanks, Hagia Sophia, these forums really benefit from your depth of knowledge. I didn’t think it much likely that he’d been a Methodist!
 
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*Christianity Today, *Week of March 12

Vatican’s New Ecumenical Officer May Smooth Relations with Protestants
Walter Kasper has criticized Dominus Iesus for treating Protestant denominations as “not churches in the proper sense.”

By Luigi Sandri in Rome | posted 3/12/01
Walter Kasper, a newly appointed German cardinal, has been appointed head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, the Vatican’s ecumenical department.
On March 3 Pope John Paul announced, as expected, the retirement of Cardinal Edward I. Cassidy, the 76-year-old Australian who has directed the council since 1989, and named 68-year-old Kasper as his successor.

Kasper has served as the pontifical council’s secretary for the past two years. In January Bishop Kasper was named as one of the new members of the College of Cardinals. This was widely interpreted as a sign that he was about to succeed Cardinal Cassidy as the Vatican’s chief ecumenical officer. Cardinal Kasper’s appointment has been warmly welcomed by leading Protestant officials.

Cardinal Kasper has had wide experience as a theologian, coming into contact with some of the most gifted theologians of his generation. From 1961 to 1964, Walter Kasper was assistant to Hans Küng at the University of Tubingen, and from 1970 to 1989 he was professor of dogmatic theology. He has written many books on theology, and in 1989 he was appointed Bishop of Rottenburg-Stuttgart.

Another negative aspect of Dominus Iesus signaled by Kasper was its failure to mention the fruits of ecumenical dialogue undertaken since the Second Vatican Council (1962-65). He pointed out that Pope John Paul had specifically referred to this dialogue in his encyclical on ecumenism, Ut unum sint, published in 1995.

Recent statements by Cardinal Kasper prompted La Repubblica, a leading newspaper in Rome, to declare, following the announcement of his new job, that “An anti-Ratzinger is now at the center of the Curia [Vatican bureaucracy]. The new president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity is the right man to resume dialogue with Protestants affected by the declaration Dominus Iesus published by Cardinal Ratzinger last September.” The newspaper described Cardinal Kasper’s appointment as a strengthening of the “reformers” faction of the College of Cardinals. He could also support moves for a “third Vatican council.”

Ishmael Noko, general secretary of the Lutheran World Federation, also based in Geneva, said he was filled with “great satisfaction” to know that in the coming years, Cardinal Kasper “will continue to be a decisive architect of ecumenism in the Roman Catholic Church.” Noko described the new president of the pontifical council as a “renowned, respected theologian” who brings "a quality of theology and style of leadership that facilitate collaboration in the ecumenical movement."

“We know Cardinal Kasper and have found in him a common faith in the living God, who will guide us in these complex times towards the unity which God makes possible in Christ,” said Noko.

Both Raiser and Noko paid tribute to Cardinal Cassidy’s achievements as head of the council for 11 years.
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JKirkLVNV:
Thanks, Hagia Sophia, these forums really benefit from your depth of knowledge. I didn’t think it much likely that he’d been a Methodist!
 
Some key appointments in which the Pope certainly had personal knowledge of the men in question are mystifying. For instance, as a theologian, Walter Kasper has &quotdemythologized" many miraculous elements in the Gospels. He and Karl Lehmann were leaders in the German bishops’ campaigns of the 1990s to get divorced and remarried Catholics admitted to Communion and to resist John Paul II’s clear instructions regarding controversial abortion counseling procedures. How can the bestowal of red hats on such clerics be reconciled with the canon law that the Pope himself promulgated? Canon 351 §1 stipulates that those made cardinals must be (among other things) &quottruly outstanding in doctrine."
catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0310fea2.asp
 
I will go out on a limb here, and taking heart from St Thomas when he encouraged the faithful to speak out againt the Religious when they are leading the flock astray-Cardinal Kasper is a disgrace, a heretic, and a Hans Kung crony and should be excommunicated for his anti-Ratzinger talk and non-conformity to the teachings of the church. He is actually Lefebvre wrapped up in the vagueness of the flag of Vatican II-and gets away with it

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