Certain blog commentary

[Maxirad]

Does the blogger who wrote this commentary have any good points regarding discrimination?

 

[JimG]

The blogger asks “what the H is going on in Kansas?”

I doubt that the bill has a chance of passage or of being upheld. My sense of the matter is that these legislators have read the stories of photographers being sued for not wishing to photograph a gay wedding, or bakers being sued for not wishing to design a gay wedding cake, or adoption agencies being run out of business for not wanting to place children with same sex couples, and this was to be a pre-emptive law to prevent that from happening.

I think that the gay lobby will not rest until everyone regardless of religious beliefs, has been forced into submission and acceptance.

 

[weller2]

Well, then – should I have the freedom to refuse sevice to Catholics, because of my beliefs?

 

[Corki]

Does the blogger who wrote this commentary have any good points regarding discrimination?

Of course this is discrimination. But all discrimination is not bad; most is good. Discriminating against same-sex couples who want to marry is not any worse discrimination that discriminating against 14 year olds who want to buy handguns, felons who want to vote or murderers who do not want to be deprived of their freedom.

The Kansas law legalizes a very good form of discrimination - discrimination against moral evil.

 

[JimG]

Well, then – should I have the freedom to refuse sevice to Catholics, because of my beliefs?

Yes, I think you should. But neither Catholics nor homosexuals are identifiable by exterior characteristics. You might, as a baker, decide that you do not wish to cater Catholic weddings, and that’s okay, or it should be. One might not wish to cater a Satanist wedding or a Black Mass, and that should be acceptable, but freedom of association has been rather lost in the nation.

 

[Maxirad]

Of course this is discrimination. But all discrimination is not bad; most is good. Discriminating against same-sex couples who want to marry is not any worse discrimination that discriminating against 14 year olds who want to buy handguns, felons who want to vote or murderers who do not want to be deprived of their freedom.

Don’t forget discrimination against women who want to be ordained to the Catholic priesthood!

 

[JimG]

If a gay couple in Topeka owns a bakery and Fred Phelps wishes to have them cater a wedding at his church, I think they should have a right to refuse to take on the job.

 

[ccmcmg]

If a gay couple in Topeka owns a bakery and Fred Phelps wishes to have them cater a wedding at his church, I think they should have a right to refuse to take on the job.

Ahhhh, living in Kansas, being Catholic, Republican…I’m under fire where I live. The things being said about ME (and those like me) are just as harsh, if not more hateful/harsh than I’ve ever heard said about the ones doing the talking.

The bill is currently pretty much dead as written.

And for the record (not that anyone asked) most Kansans are anti-Phelps.

 

[JimG]

Ahhhh, living in Kansas, being Catholic, Republican…I’m under fire where I live. The things being said about ME (and those like me) are just as harsh, if not more hateful/harsh than I’ve ever heard said about the ones doing the talking.

The bill is currently pretty much dead as written.

And for the record (not that anyone asked) most Kansans are anti-Phelps.

Yes, the Phelps clan, carrying signs proclaiming that God hates gays, are pretty much ignored. Some years back, they even picketed my parish church. They must have run out of funerals to picket for the month. But nobody pays attention to them. They are a one-family, almost a one-man denomination.

I think that a gay photographer or a gay baker, ought to be able to decline to provide services for a function at their church, at his or her sole discretion. By the same token I think that a photographer or baker who finds same sex weddings an affront to his conscience ought to be able to simply decline the business.

As to the proposed law, I haven’t read the details of it, so I can’t offer an opinion.

 

[ccmcmg]

Yes, the Phelps clan, carrying signs proclaiming that God hates gays, are pretty much ignored. Some years back, they even picketed my parish church. They must have run out of funerals to picket for the month. But nobody pays attention to them. They are a one-family, almost a one-man denomination.

I think that a gay photographer or a gay baker, ought to be able to decline to provide services for a function at their church, at his or her sole discretion. By the same token I think that a photographer or baker who finds same sex weddings an affront to his conscience ought to be able to simply decline the business.

As to the proposed law, I haven’t read the details of it, so I can’t offer an opinion.

Re: Phelps cult: the signs aren’t harmless; the signs they carried in front of my brother’s graduation at KSU when my boys were old enough to read, but definitely didn’t need to learn the words that day, nor was there time to explain them.

On the issue, I definitely agree, but I’m in the minority in my area, and those who do agree are afraid to speak out because of the attacks we receive.

 

[JimG]

Re: Phelps cult: the signs aren’t harmless; the signs they carried in front of my brother’s graduation at KSU when my boys were old enough to read, but definitely didn’t need to learn the words that day, nor was there time to explain them.

On the issue, I definitely agree, but I’m in the minority in my area, and those who do agree are afraid to speak out because of the attacks we receive.

Good grief, they picket funerals, churches, graduations, apparently anything. I was attending my old parish in KCK one Sunday and there they were picketing in front of the church for no apparent reason.