Changes to Spanish-language Mass in the US?

[pabloSD]

Do you know if the Roman Missal in Spanish in the US has also changed this year?
Thanks!
En Cristo,
Pablo

 

[Orogeny]

Nope. The new english translation is now consistent with the spanish.

Peace

Tim

 

[padreodonoghue]

Actually there is no approved Spanish language translation of the Roman Missal in the US. Parishes simply pick up an approved translation from some other country and use it. Although you may not really notice it if you go to Mass in Spanish as the people’s responses are more or less the same, there are a number of totally different Spanish translations in use (6 I think). While English (and French and German) have had a single translation in use since Vatican II, the Spanish-speaking world has had a multiplicity of translations in the different countries. At the moment the Mexican bishops are revising their translation of the Roman Missal and it seems as if the US bishops will adopt a modified version of this as the approved US Spanish Roman Missal. Until then, the situation of each parish having a different translation will remain.

 

[JGMendes4049]

Actually there is no approved Spanish language translation of the Roman Missal in the US. Parishes simply pick up an approved translation from some other country and use it. Although you may not really notice it if you go to Mass in Spanish as the people’s responses are more or less the same, there are a number of totally different Spanish translations in use (6 I think). While English (and French and German) have had a single translation in use since Vatican II, the Spanish-speaking world has had a multiplicity of translations in the different countries. At the moment the Mexican bishops are revising their translation of the Roman Missal and it seems as if the US bishops will adopt a modified version of this as the approved US Spanish Roman Missal. Until then, the situation of each parish having a different translation will remain.

If I remember correctly, in the United States of America, the Missal and Lectionary used are the ones in use in Mexico, except the Psalms, which are the ones used in Spain. This is for the Spanish language.

 

[padreodonoghue]

If I remember correctly, in the United States of America, the Missal and Lectionary used are the ones in use in Mexico, except the Psalms, which are the ones used in Spain. This is for the Spanish language.

Yes this is true, but again the US edition hasn’t been published yet. So the typical parish probably doesn’t have it, unless they have invested in two sets of Lectionaries (and the ones from Spain come in 8 volumes and cost a fortune). I am not sure but maybe some of the missalette companies have the approved combination.

Basically, we have to what for the day when an approved US version is published. Some of the other sacramental rites have approved US versions (Pastoral Care of the Sick, RCIA, Infant Baptism, Christian Funerals, etc.). But the Roman Missal and Lectionary are still on the “to do” list of the US Catholic Bishops’ Conference.

 

[JGMendes4049]

Basically, we have to what for the day when an approved US version is published. Some of the other sacramental rites have approved US versions (Pastoral Care of the Sick, RCIA, Infant Baptism, Christian Funerals, etc.). But the Roman Missal and Lectionary are still on the “to do” list of the US Catholic Bishops’ Conference.

It’s because they are HUGE books.

 

[pabloSD]

I knew that in the US they use the Mexican version, but I wasn’t sure if they had come out with a US version along with the new American English translation. It’s funny, but even though I’m fully bilingual and I grew up in LA, I’ve never been to an English-language Mass. My spiritual life, and my prayers, are always in Spanish.

I guess that it is OK for the US to use the Mexican version of the Missal, since the majority of Spanish-speakers in the US are of Mexican origin.

Thank you for your comments.
En Cristo,
Pablo

 

[Digitonomy]

there are a number of totally different Spanish translations in use (6 I think).

Besides those from Mexico and Spain, what others exist?

 

[gh4]

Besides those from Mexico and Spain, what others exist?

A List of Spanish Speaking Countries

Europe
Spain

Africa
Equatorial Guinea

North America
Mexico

Central America
Guatemala
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Panama

Carribean
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Puerto Rico

South America
Venezuela
Colombia
Ecuador
Peru
Bolivia
Paraguay
Chile
Argentina
Uruguay

 

[ProVobis]

A List of Spanish Speaking Countries

Europe
Spain

Africa
Equatorial Guinea

North America
Mexico

Central America
Guatemala
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Panama

Carribean
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Puerto Rico

South America
Venezuela
Colombia
Ecuador
Peru
Bolivia
Paraguay
Chile
Argentina
Uruguay

Quite significant when one realizes that the (growing) number of native Spanish speakers outnumber native English speakers and 70% of SS are Catholic.

cara.georgetown.edu/Hispanic%20Catholics.pdf

 

[PacoG]

I think that the use of translations varies from missalette company to missalette company. In our parish, we have WLP missalettes which use the Mexican Missal. In a neighboring parish, they have OCP which contain the Spaniard Missal.

From what I understand, there is some variance in the translations. But they are minor variances. For example in the Sanctus, the Mexican Missal has:

Santo, Santo, Santo es el Senor Dios del Universo…

(Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of the Universe)

While the Spanish Missal has:

Santo, Santo, Santo es el Senor Dios del los Ejercitos…

(Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of the Armies (or Hosts)…

Some of the Spanish language missals just have the three Memorial Acclamations contained in the Roman Missal while the Mexican Missal (I think) has the bizzarre introductions that the Canadian Missal used to have to the Memorial Acclamations. Some Missals have only the three Memorial Acclamations that the Roman Missal has while some of the Spanish Missals have the three plus the two additional ones that the English one used to have (“Christ has died” and “Dying you destroyed our death”.)

However, generally, the language in the Spanish Missals are faithful to the Latin. Being bilingual, I always used to wonder why the Spanish Mass used to have so much more than the English Mass. Then the revision of the English Missal occurred and now the English and Spanish are so much more in sync.

 

[Digitonomy]

Some of the Spanish language missals just have the three Memorial Acclamations contained in the Roman Missal while the Mexican Missal (I think) has the bizzarre introductions that the Canadian Missal used to have to the Memorial Acclamations. Some Missals have only the three Memorial Acclamations that the Roman Missal has while some of the Spanish Missals have the three plus the two additional ones that the English one used to have (“Christ has died” and “Dying you destroyed our death”.)

Did any have a translation of the old “Keep in mind…” unauthorized acclamation?

 

[PacoG]

Did any have a translation of the old “Keep in mind…” unauthorized acclamation?

Haven’t seen that one in neither English nor Spanish missalettes since the 1980s. Maybe we if we don’t talk about “Keep in mind,” maybe it won’t come back.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

From what I’ve found on the internet (for whatever that’s worth), the spanish missal says “for all” instead of “for many” so perhaps that will be changed soon…