Chasuble question

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I am refurbishing our church’s chasubles. The two that I am working on have the piller only on the back. To me this smacks of the old rite and i would like to repair the piller on the back and add an identicle piller on the front. Because the stole is now worn inside shouldn’t there be something on the front such as a piller as I am suggesting. What is the rule about the placement of pillers?
 
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I am refurbishing our church’s chasubles. The two that I am working on have the piller only on the back. To me this smacks of the old rite and i would like to repair the piller on the back and add an identicle piller on the front. Because the stole is now worn inside shouldn’t there be something on the front such as a piller as I am suggesting. What is the rule about the placement of pillers?
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What is a “piller”? Do you mean “orphrey”?
 
pat_mckay said:
Because the stole is now worn inside …
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I am just curious about this - not trying to be nasty.

The 1975 and 2002 GIRMs both specifically say that the chasuble is worn over the alb and stole.

The Tridentine Mass has the chasuble being worn over the alb and stole, with the stole crossed in front.

Why do you say “… the stole is now worn inside …”? When did the rubrics ever say that the stole was worn inside?

Just curious.

MT
 
You should ask your Pastor or the owner of the chasuble. Our opinion does not matter in the least. Please don’t make a major alteration to the garment without explicit directions from your priest! :eek:
 
It “smacks of the old rite?” That’s unnecessarily negative, don’t you think?

I agree strongly with Sr. Sally - please don’t make changes without permission. Speaking practically, it might be very difficult to make a perfect match to the trim on the back many years later.

Betsy
 
At my Novus Ordo Mass this morning, I particularly noticed that the chasuble had an orphrey straight down the back AND straight down the front.

We don’t know what kind of chasuble the OP is working on.

What style is it? If it’s a modern one, then there is no problem with adding a “pillar” on the front (to MATCH the one on the back, of course).

Do some homework so you don’t mix styles.
 
MichiganTrumbul said:
I am just curious about this - not trying to be nasty.

The 1975 and 2002 GIRMs both specifically say that the chasuble is worn over the alb and stole.

The Tridentine Mass has the chasuble being worn over the alb and stole, with the stole crossed in front.

Why do you say “… the stole is now worn inside …”? When did the rubrics ever say that the stole was worn inside?

Just curious.

MT
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from the 1975 GIRM:
**299. Unless otherwise indicated, the chasuble, worn over the alb and stole, is the vestment proper to the priest celebrant at Mass and other rites immediately connected with Mass.

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<<What is a “piller”? Do you mean “orphrey”?>>

There is a kind of orphrey called a “pillar orphrey” (note the spelling).
 
FrCorey said:
from the 1975 GIRM:
**299. Unless otherwise indicated, the chasuble, worn over the alb and stole, is the vestment proper to the priest celebrant at Mass and other rites immediately connected with Mass.

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Thanks for that.

I just realized that I mistyped my question. My question should have read,

When did the rubrics ever say that the stole was worn outside?

I do not recall that the rubrics have ever prescribed this.

Thanks!

MT
 
MichiganTrumbul said:
Thanks for that.

I just realized that I mistyped my question. My question should have read,

When did the rubrics ever say that the stole was worn outside?

I do not recall that the rubrics have ever prescribed this.

Thanks!

MT
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They never did. It seemed to become popular around the same time that felt banners with peace signs started being hung from the front of altars. It was always, and remains, an abuse. I still see it sometimes, but much less now than back in the 70’s and 80’s.
 
MichiganTrumbul said:
Felt banners with peace signs. Yes, I remember those. Thanks for the nightmares, pal! 😃

MT
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Sorta reminds me of a particular parish in our area, MichiganTrumbul, where the previous priest would dress in his rainbow vestments while in the sanctuary as Mass was begining, and let the little children dance around with pixie sticks covered in ribbons and banners. :rolleyes: Ugh - praying we are finally growing beyond those years.

~Liza
 
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