Cheater!

[Paris_Blues]

I have a question…

I know it’s a huge sin if you cheat.

Now, I HOPE I didn’t cheat in college. It goes something like this:

In a class, we got together in groups because we were going to work on a chapter in the book and do a presentation on it. We did our part of reading it. Though I have a reading comprehension problem and didn’t know what the heck I was reading (well, I did but not to the point of understanding what we were really suppose to understand), I stopped reading and in class, I told my group my problem and they understood it. I was freaking out because we each had to do our own presentation of what we found.

However, I was hoping one of my group members would tell me what to read and give examples for my presentation - only to give me a start - but instead, one of them volunteered to finish the reading and told us that we would not have to worry about it but that she would do it for us. I asked her, “Are you dead sure about this?” because I know we have to be responsible. She told me, “Hey, I have nothing else to do so I will go ahead and read the rest of the chapter and I will give you guys the notes so you can read them!” I told her, okay that’s fine but should we still go ahead and read anyway like finish the reading and she told me no.

So the day of our presentation, she had the notes and gave us the paper part we would be doing.

My question is, is this cheating because I spoke to the class using HER notes that weren’t mine!

 

[Paris_Blues]

Could someone reply to this???

 

[dhgray]

Paris Blues:

Could someone reply to this???

My OPINION (and it’s only my opinion) is that since you were assigned to a group, this girl became one of your resources. She gave you the notes as part of the group project.

Should you have read the book? Yes.

Did you cheat? No.

Should you go and read the book? Yes.

You are truly blessed if this is the biggest problem you have.

 

[Orionthehunter]

dhgray:

My OPINION (and it’s only my opinion) is that since you were assigned to a group, this girl became one of your resources. She gave you the notes as part of the group project.

Should you have read the book? Yes.

Did you cheat? No.

Should you go and read the book? Yes.

You are truly blessed if this is the biggest problem you have.

Often times the best advice on this forum to questions is that you go ask a Priest. In this case, the teacher is the one who has the authority to determine if this was permitted according to the teacher’s expectations. If it was cheating, you might be given consideration as you were not sure on the expectations. If you don’t go to the teacher, let your conscience be your guide as you probably know whether or not this was permitted by the teacher.

 

[Paris_Blues]

Orionthehunter:

Often times the best advice on this forum to questions is that you go ask a Priest. In this case, the teacher is the one who has the authority to determine if this was permitted according to the teacher’s expectations. If it was cheating, you might be given consideration as you were not sure on the expectations. If you don’t go to the teacher, let your conscience be your guide as you probably know whether or not this was permitted by the teacher.

Well, I first asked the instructor through e-mail (who’s aware of my reading problem) a question to verify something so I could be on the right track. She e-mailed me back and said that she would give me an example so I would have an idea. I told her I would love an example but never heard from her. That’s why I had to ask the group.

 

[Magicsilence]

Paris

If youre asking if you sinned or not, then you are probably seeking comfort.

If so, then i think you have sinned.

I know that when I come online to check whether I have sinned or not, I always have.

The fact you are checking means you know something wasnt right about what you did.

Therefore.

I suggest you hop on over to confession some time soon.

But dont worry yourself over it.

We all slip.

Let Christ pull you back up.

In Him.

Andre.

 

[jman507]

Magicsilence:

Paris

If youre asking if you sinned or not, then you are probably seeking comfort.

If so, then i think you have sinned.

I know that when I come online to check whether I have sinned or not, I always have.

The fact you are checking means you know something wasnt right about what you did.

Therefore.

I suggest you hop on over to confession some time soon.

But dont worry yourself over it.

We all slip.

Let Christ pull you back up.

In Him.

Andre.

I think that might be a good general rule, but there is a problem if one gets overly scrupulous.

I don’t see where the sin is, there was no intent not to do the work. It was a group project, and one voluneteered to take on extra work. I think you where within the boundries to ask for help since you have a reading problem. You asked for help from both the group and the teacher. The teacher never got back. If you say that you did something that you didn’t, then I think that would be sinful, but since it was a group project and you did it as agreed to by the group I don’t see a problem with that as long as your honsest about what you did. The cheating that I see, was that you cheated yourself out of the chance to learn what you where supposed to. In that case I’d just try to do a bit of what your supposed to do. If your still worried bring it up with the teacher.

 

[cmgeo]

I think you are cheating yourself in this context
The home work etc that you should be doing
yourself is meant for your betterment
If you outsource it to some one else
its more being lazy and cheating yourself
Is it a sin? May be a venial sin
Learn to take on your responsibility for your
own good even though it might be hard on you
You can always ask assistance from your friends
forget about this incident and take challenges head on
Dont be a coward and run away from them
You will do well
God Bless!

 

[Ruthie]

There is all kinds of help out there for people with learning disabilities.

A way you might be able to increase your reading comprehension, is to read along with a “book on tape.” Most public libraries have them; and most librarians will be happy to help.

If you are severely dyslexic, you may need special help. Don’t worry about it or be ashamed - it doesn’t mean you’re stupid or lazy. It just means you were born with a “miswiring” in your brain, that you need to work around.

In fact, the dyslexics I have known are definitely above average in intelligence.

I myself have a very mild disability - they call it “reversals,” and its biggest effect is that I can’t tell left from right. My workaround for that is to hold my hands up, palms out, thumbs at right angles - and the hand making an “L” is my left.

My mother had it, too; she’d tell me to turn right, I’d turn left, and we’d be going the right direction!

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Nothing wrong at all. In life, especially in school and work you cant let stuff like that get to you, thats all passing by in time and wont mean anyting later. Take it as a gift by that person saving you some time and less stress.

 

[tcay584]

Catholic Dude:

Nothing wrong at all. In life, especially in school and work you cant let stuff like that get to you, thats all passing by in time and wont mean anyting later. Take it as a gift by that person saving you some time and less stress.

Ummmmm…are you serious? That’s the biggest bunch of phooey I’ve ever heard! People like you are the reason the education system is in such a shambles. Such disregard for one’s responsibilities (and when you’re in school, doing the work and learning is a responsibility) is shameful. Please tell me you were kidding. If you can’t be trusted in the small things, how can you be trusted in the big things?
To the OP…I understand you have an obstacle to overcome, but you will not overcome it by not rising to the challenge. I doubt you’ve sinned in a big way, but you’ve definitely taken the easy road. I’ve taught many college level lab courses where people work in groups (I hate that…do your own work and bring something to the table). The problem is that there’s always a leader who “takes over”, then when the final comes up…the other dude fails because it was just so easy to let the other team member do all the work.
Please don’t listen to people who say “Oh that’s ok…” because it will mean something later…if only in your mind knowing that you had a challenge and rose to it rather than taking the cheezy way out and letting someone else do all the work.

 

[jman507]

How often does this pose as a problem for you, trouble understanding the assigned reading?

I don’t see the sin, though I don’t know what your intentions where. To me you wanted to do the assignment, you started it, and asked for help, which you never got to finish your part. I don’t think you said you did something you did not do. The biggest problem I see is a weakness, the problem with reading comprehension.

Since you know that is a problem. Try to do a good job of finding the right help or the right way to go around obsticals that come up, so you can learn what you need to know. From the sounds of your post it doesn’t sound like your looking for the easy way out or for someone else to do the work, and thats good.

So remember do not get discouraged. God does not make a flower and ask it to be like a dog, so God made you as you are, with all your gifts, to be you and to fullfil his role for you and not be like someone else. Hardships and good times are both gifts from God, faithfulness is a gift to him, stay faithful and in due time you’ll receive your reward.

 

[BlestOne]

Paris,
I recently went back to school and I was assigned alot of group projects. Most of the time people did the work that was required of them and we had no problems. Some of the groups had more than 1 alpha type that took control and either did or tried to do the whole thing, other times I was in groups where there was one person that continually did nothing and got away with it. At one point I went to the teacher for guidance about a girl who never did her part, never showed up on test days and always managed to get good grades. We figured she was getting answers for the test from another student and never participated in group discussions. The teacher told me not to worry about it because they were actually not concerned about who did what but were trying to teach people to work together. As our final project was getting close to being due I went to the teacher again with the same complaint, he said to be prepared if she didn’t do her share but to leave it open for her to contribute. In our group I went over the assignments and what font to use etc…and asked how everyone was doing on their part. Everyone answered but this girl, so finally I looked at her and asked her directly if she was done, having trouble with her part, or had anything to contribute…again, she just stared at me and didn’t say a word. So the day it was due, I had done her part just in case she didn’t and I had two title pages printed; one with her name in it and one without. She actually came to class, had written up her part (In the wrong font of course) so I turned in her work instead of the extra part I wrote up. I told the teacher that she did end up participating (I believe in discussing the good as well as the bad). In the end, I found out she had some problems at home and was very mal adjusted because of it. I felt bad for thinking she just wasn’t interested in participating when she truly didn’t know how to function in group situations. The point is, when you are in a group, do the best you can, but don’t stress if you get help from another group member. Just always try your best…I am with dhgray…the other student was a resource, but you should try to read the stuff yourself.

Love ya,
BlestOne