Cheating at Play, Cheating in Life?

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According to research on ethics conducted by the Josephson Institute, children that cheat by high school are:
  • More likely to cheat on taxes, lie to customers or a spouse, or to otherwise “bend the truth”
  • Five times more likely to approve of cheating “to get ahead”
  • Four times more likely to deceive an employer or make unauthorized copies of music or videos
  • Three times more likely to keep the wrong change
  • Twice as likely to lie or cheat a spouse regarding “something important”
  • "Compared to prior generations, Millennial teens consider cheating ‘normal’– just part of what it takes to get ahead.”
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I think the author is overextending her connection a bit but those formative years are important regardless of what I or what others think.
 
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Since most people who cheat do not share this with others, how does the pollster know who are the people who cheat? 😀
 
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Four times more likely to deceive an employer or make unauthorized copies
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That brings to mind a common sin in the workplace. Making a Xerox or photocopy for personal use. I’ve done it. But at the time it was so commonplace that it didn’t seem like a sin to be honest. Imagine making a hard copy of a resume to apply for a different job with a different company? that does sound unethical, now that I reflect on it. But it happened all the time.
 
That is a good question.
The method in the survey cited interviewed 6930 people, which is a much larger sample size than most surveys I’ve seen. That sample had people throughout all age groups. The links are broken so I can’t actually see how they actually carried it out or all of the questions asked. It also mentioned they’ve been doing biennial surveys between 1992 - 2008. My guess is they ‘plotted data’ for each report they did and watched how each cohort did over time.
Of course, one could lie but lying is sporadic and less likely to be systematic. So one could assume severe fluctuations would appear if you take different participants each time. Statisticians can take into account lies and try to minimized them but that could be hard. Or even if you have been following the same group of people for all that time and because lying to a survey and maintaining a lie to a surveyor isn’t a top priority. There’s a good change they will slip up.
I know for adultery, different studies that are designed well tend to put it at 20 - 35% in the US. You could interpret that as lying does occur but enough are telling the truth to give a rough estimate.
 
Anyone who, from a young age, shows a proclivity towards lying and cheating should pursue politics or becoming a pirate.

 
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I figured it was something like your answer. But the idea of expecting truthful answers from people who cheat was a little confused.

It is similar to polling on kids drug use. Does any kid answer those questions honestly? Only bad things come from kids admitting drug use
 
I vote for becoming a pirate. You get paid to drink rum in the sun while doing karaoke.
 
Lying is habitual

A “little lie” is STILL a lie

"Beliefs lead to behaviors, behaviors create habits, and habits SHAPE character"
 
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It is similar to polling on kids drug use. Does any kid answer those questions honestly? Only bad things come from kids admitting drug use
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It’s tricky. I’m not a statistician and my knowledge is quite basic but lying in polls is studied by academics. There are many papers on it. The are a number of tricks that can be employed that can root out or detect lies in some cases.
This is one way how teens can be screened, who lie because they find it funny:

 
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He definitely would have made a great Pirate. He missed his calling.
 
Pollsters have made polling almost a science. Just look at the accuracy of political polling.
 
The Man!!! The Myth!!! The Scum!!!

Okay, no politics in the thread. Sorry.

But it was just so tempting.
 
They’re still reliable.
Brexit: it was narrow. Polls consistently showed that. Even if a poll showed 52% remain 48% leave, it’s still ‘correct’ because all polls give an error margin, usually around 2.5%.
2016: Polls that were cited showing Hillary Clinton would win, they were ‘correct’ by definition because they only considered total votes and lacked consideration for the Electoral College. Had they considered the College system, that Clinton guarantee would have disappeared. The individual state polls were good. The lesson, look at all polls for all 50 states for presidential races.
The last poll before voting day showed 49% Clinton 46% Trump. That was close, as the popular vote was 48.2% vs. 46.1%. So polling is generally reliable.
 
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You were using the wrong polling in 2016. If you followed the 2016 tossup states most reliably accurate statewide polls and saw what they had to say about key district races, you would have known that the race was a lot closer than the lazy conclusions that were being used by most of the msm.

No one got it right, but Fox viewers knew it was well within the margin of error. Trump had a path to victory if all went right.

The msm did not account for voters not admitting that they were voting for Trump. The polls used by Fox did, but still underestimated them.

From following electoral polling for the past 20 years, currently,Larry Sabato is one of the best. He puts a lot of emphasis on finding the most accurate statewide polls. Listen to the key people in the past presidential elections. The can tell you the key districts and they are miles ahead of everyone else in spotting trends before everyone else.
 
Interesting topic. My in-laws—-my wife’s family in general—-are gifted card players. Especially Bridge. My kids were average Bridge players by age 10.

They’re all good-enough card players that they get bored playing by the rules, so sometimes they’ll cheat to make it interesting. The challenge becomes cheating and trying to catch each other cheating.

Which I guess isn’t really cheating at all if cheating is an accepted part of the game and, in their eyes, makes it that much more fun.
 
Folks like that have no integrity & likely no religion either.
The older you get apart from God, the worse you get
 
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