Christianity as myth?

[aur]

Faith and Reason by Schmidt and Perkins is a book that highly recommend, how can someone thru reason can conclude the existence of God, the authenticity of the Bible, Jesus is God, etc.

Very easy to read.

Armando

 

[Riley259]

Following up on the post about science as an inroad to reach the academically inclined: I just read “The Science before Science”. It’s actually not about science so much as philosophy, and how it is we actually know things (including the existence of God). If your friend has taken any philisophy classes at all, she might find this book interesting, and very enlightening.

I must agree. This book, The Science before Science by Anthony Rizzi is an excellent and academically challenging book. He builds his case for the use of philosophy as a true science and then uses it to prove the existence of God…that’s right I believe he convincingly proves the existence of God in this book. Tell your friend to check it out. Have her also check out a book by Peter Kreeft and Ron Taccelli entitled, Handbook of Christian Apologetics. This book convincingly argues for the truth of Christianity. Finally, The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel is particularly good at helping prove the truth of Christianity and all it’s accompanying wonders (ex., divinity of Christ, resurrection, etc.)

 

[Keikiolu]

Atheism is the conclusion that God most likely doesn’t exist because there is no evidence that there is a god. I think it’s fair to say that you have no evidence that there is a god.

Sure I do…!

…just look around. See that “world” thing that you live in?

If you think it was made, or just “came into being”, by any means other than an act of God, then how was it made?

Someone who doesn’t believe in Santa Claus has no facts to support his disbelief, but he has no reason to believe in Santa Claus either. The burden of proof lies with the one making the positive claim.

That’s right…! It’s my duty to tell you that God exists.

I do that, with proof, as I define it, which you disagree with, wherefore you are not convinced, which leaves us where we started.

You aren’t interested, apparently, in proving that God doesn’t exist, which isn’t particularly convincing to me that my proof is wrong.

When you DO try to prove that God doesn’t exist, I tell you why your proofs aren’t proofs for me, and we’re right back where we started.

Unless a person knows what God means, even if they don’t personally believe it, they can’t understand one who does believe.

…and if they do understand it, even if they don’t believe it, they wouldn’t try to convince someone who does believe it because it helps nothing (is not a positive thing) to try to do so.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[Keikiolu]

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Originally Posted by Keikiolu forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
The omnipresent fact that religion exists in all human societies is a huge thorn that atheism simply chocks up to “religion is psychosis and all human societies are inherently psychotic”.

Yet you reject all of the religions that have ever existed except one. Atheists just go one religion further.

Christianity simply supercedes all other “religions”, as their “fullfillment”, in those parts of those religions which are actually “from God”, and shows those parts of those religions which AREN’T from God to be “from demons”.

Atheists don’t reject religions. They replace them with the utterly anti-religious, which no religion of the past (however close to being from God) contained in any measure whatsoever.

Atheism is a religion. And it is the single most violent and destructive religion imaginable, because it replaces ALL truly “eternal” aspects of religion with idolatry.

Show me an atheistic “belief” (you would say “theory”), and I’ll show you it has no ground to stand on.

…and it has no ground because atheism simply can’t admit, because they can’t “prove”, that all things were created by “that which created them”.

The funny thing is that they DO believe that there is a reality, because they’d be utterly “anxious” if they didn’t, but they refuse to tell anyone that they do believe it, because it’s not socially acceptable to admit that they accept any absolutes.

…even if that absolute doesn’t disturb the actual world that they live in.

The emperor has no clothes.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[Keikiolu]

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Originally Posted by Benedictus forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Yet you reject all of the religions that have ever existed except one. Atheists just go one religion further.

I reject that anybody else in the world is you. Would I be justified in going one step further and rejecting that you are you as well?

Alright…!!

Pithy,… pugnatious,… pointed,… perceptive,… other nifty adjectives that start with “P”…!!

I’m really likin’ you, Dude…!!!

Mahalo NUI…!!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[zachh]

Most myths don’t begin with men being martyred for something they know to be false.



It’s hard to call something a myth when it began with 12 men ready to defend to the death their beliefs.

 

[AnIrishCatholic]

Christianity simply supercedes all other “religions”, as their “fullfillment”, in those parts of those religions which are actually “from God”, and shows those parts of those religions which AREN’T from God to be “from demons”.

Atheists don’t reject religions. They replace them with the utterly anti-religious, which no religion of the past (however close to being from God) contained in any measure whatsoever.

Atheism is a religion. And it is the single most violent and destructive religion imaginable, because it replaces ALL truly “eternal” aspects of religion with idolatry.

Show me an atheistic “belief” (you would say “theory”), and I’ll show you it has no ground to stand on.

…and it has no ground because atheism simply can’t admit, because they can’t “prove”, that all things were created by “that which created them”.

The funny thing is that they DO believe that there is a reality, because they’d be utterly “anxious” if they didn’t, but they refuse to tell anyone that they do believe it, because it’s not socially acceptable to admit that they accept any absolutes.

…even if that absolute doesn’t disturb the actual world that they live in.

The emperor has no clothes.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

Do not confuse truth with fact, as what is truth to you is different to me, and very different to an atheist. The confusion of truth and fact is the start of the slipery slope to the loss of faith.

 

[Della]

I can see this, but only because I can appreciate concepts such as pathos, despair and tragedy. But to a real atheist, what do such concepts mean, other than that the electrical signals in the brain look more like picture ‘A’ than like picture ‘B’? What do pathos, despair and tragedy mean to a bag of chemical reactions?

All of which just points to the near impossibility of fully living out an atheistic life. Even people who believe they are just bags of chemical reactions don’t actually live their lives that way, unlike animals that truly live what they are.

Yes, indeed! And this is just the point Lewis was making. He realized that his attraction to the beauty of Norse tales and poetry meant that he was more than a “bag of chemicals” but a human being created in the image of the One who is beauty and poetry. And one of the people who helped him come to that conclusion was J. R. R. Tolkien, the man whose writing was filled with beauty, despair, sin, truth, love, sacrifice, death, life–in a word, all that makes us truly human with the spark of the divine life in us, and all that shows our need for a Redeemer.

 

[Keikiolu]

Do not confuse truth with fact, as what is truth to you is different to me, and very different to an atheist. The confusion of truth and fact is the start of the slipery slope to the loss of faith.

Truth is truth, and ultimately contained in God, which is the only “utterly certain” truth.

To state that that particular truth is “relative” is to be a relativist.

To be a relativist is to NOT be a Catholic.

I tie my faith to nothing other than God, as revealed by the Magisterium.

The loss of faith is to tie one’s faith to anything BUT God as revealed by the Magisterium.

Thus,… I agree with you. Fact, as perception, is not the proper thing to confuse with Truth.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.