Christianity Is Winning In sub-Sahara Africa!!!!

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Yes, that is the point I’m trying to make. Thank you. There are cultures that take Christainity and blend it in quite nicely to their own culture. I’m glad to hear that missionaries consider this now.

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Cannibalism, wife-swapping, head shrinking and ritual killing of wives and slaves should not be mourned by anyone. I once read about a culture in Africa in which a woman’s only child was killed as as an infant because the baby’s first tooth grew in on the top rather than the bottom (which is more usual). It was an ancient belief in their culture that such a baby brings curses upon the community and must be killed to “save” the community from all manner of catastrophes. I personally think it’s better for a child, and less sad, for them to lose their culture and traditions than to lose their life because their first tooth came in in the “wrong” order. And how about that “female circumcision”? I personally think it’s better for a child, and less sad, for them to lose their culture and traditions than to lose part of their female genitalia to a rusty razor or to have their genitalia sewn shut to “ensure” chastity until marriage. (I say “ensure” because my aunt, who is a nurse, once had a patient from Indonesia come in to see her for a medical examination. The woman had been sewn closed, yet was heavily pregnant. Had she not come to see my aunt and not had the stitching removed, she would have died in child-birth.)
 
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Cannibalism, wife-swapping, head shrinking and ritual killing of wives and slaves should not be mourned by anyone. I once read about a culture in Africa in which a woman’s only child was killed as as an infant because the baby’s first tooth grew in on the top rather than the bottom (which is more usual). It was an ancient belief in their culture that such a baby brings curses upon the community and must be killed to “save” the community from all manner of catastrophes. I personally think it’s better for a child, and less sad, for them to lose their culture and traditions than to lose their life because their first tooth came in in the “wrong” order. And how about that “female circumcision”? I personally think it’s better for a child, and less sad, for them to lose their culture and traditions than to lose part of their female genitalia to a rusty razor or to have their genitalia sewn shut to “ensure” chastity until marriage. (I say “ensure” because my aunt, who is a nurse, once had a patient from Indonesia come in to see her for a medical examination. The woman had been sewn closed, yet was heavily pregnant. Had she not come to see my aunt and not had the stitching removed, she would have died in child-birth.)
 
6,000 African’s die each day from AIDS and 11,000 each day are infected. This seems to be happening despite who they pray to. I hope that the Church and and will help change that. It has been apparent for some time that Africa is one of the Church’s strongholds and a real “up and comer.” So I expect it to do more in the future to protect its investment (no cynicism implied).
 
6,000 African’s die each day from AIDS and 11,000 each day are infected. This seems to be happening despite who they pray to. I hope that the Church and and will help change that. It has been apparent for some time that Africa is one of the Church’s strongholds and a real “up and comer.” So I expect it to do more in the future to protect its investment (no cynicism implied).
Yes indeed. I think we should ask why we even bother there if this is what we get. Maybe the Jewish people have worried over them and done more.:confused:
 
Everyone can do more. THe Church has the assets, the assets, the structure and the motivation to do more.
 
This makes me sad. I would prefer that aboriginals keep their aboriginal faith rather then convert. Guess its only a matter of time before another people lose their culture, language, etc.

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They can still be Christian and keep some of their culture, and they could certainly keep their language. They don’t have to lose who they are on the inside. What do you think Christianity will do to them? Make them forget their language and say, “oh no, since I’ve turned Christian, I can’t seem to recall my language!”

Do you think they shouldn’t be Christian much less Catholic? God wants all of us to unite as Christians and better yet as Catholic Christians.
 
I merely putting forward concern for the loss of culture and language that occurs when an aboriginal people are converted. Many First Nations people are bringing back their religion, languages and culture from the brink of extinction. They have heard the word of your Gods and have chosen another path, their original path. I respect that.

I enjoy a world filled with many peoples and many faiths and I also appreciate living in a time where I can listen to all that is available and make a choice. The way this was posted turned the whole thing into some kind of contest for souls between islam and christainity…which I think reduces what is a deeply profound personal choice down to a numbers game between two sides.
Do you think these people should be deprived of Christianity just so you can be entertained?

You make it seem as if they are from another planet or something and for that reason they don’t qualify for Christianity. God also created these people and He calls many of them to Christianity.

You just don’t get it but I pray some day you will. :gopray2:
 
People misbehave so they pay the consequence. If you look at Uganda ( I believe), a catholic country, it has the most successful AIDS prevention on the continental.
6,000 African’s die each day from AIDS and 11,000 each day are infected. This seems to be happening despite who they pray to. I hope that the Church and and will help change that. It has been apparent for some time that Africa is one of the Church’s strongholds and a real “up and comer.” So I expect it to do more in the future to protect its investment (no cynicism implied).
 
The Aztecs lost their pagan religion. A pity. Think of all the hearts that didn’t get torn out. Not every naturalistic religion was or is a pleasant one. Moving away from paganism was a positive good, read Stark’s The Rise of Christianity. There is a reason we won.
Yes it’s great that the Aztecs came into Christianity with help from Spaniards and of course we can’t forget our Lady of Guadalupe! Although “Aztecs” is somewhat vague a description as far as the culture was concerned. They were a polytheistic people and wanted to please their gods with those hearts and other human sacrifices. 😦

I especially thank God that the civilization ended because I once thought about the possibility that my ancestors could possibly be from that “culture” but I think that my ancestors are from the Tlaxcalans. I also know for sure that I have some Spaniard blood in me too and this just 3 generations back.

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I believe the aztecs were sacrificing prisoners of war to war gods and not nature gods, and that they felt it was an honor.
:eek: You think it was an honor to KILL people?! And their “gods” were definitely gods of nature; the moon, the sun, heat, rain, clouds, lightening and the visible planets. They thought there were many heavens and therefore many gods. Many Aztec Mexicans thought of their fireplaces as shrines to the fire god or the oldest of all the gods.

The “sun god” was believed to have been thirsty for red cactus fruit which were those hearts and the blood that were pulled out. I can’t believe you think this was an honor to do.
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If you consider the conversion to christainity worth it if it stops human sacrifice then thats a little weak.
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pagan_soul:
That can be stopped by simply introducing the concept of human rights. Countries with modern day pagan religions (not neo-pagan or new age) have laws against murder.
So you think that makes their pagan religions okay? Wait, I’m asking a pagan. :whacky:
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Given time a country and society changes on its own, and thats a good thing.
The only “Good” that I know is God and we can only go to God through Jesus Christ!
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pagan_soul:
We don’t know what the Aztecs would have been like today had they been left alone.
Thank God we will never know.
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pagan_soul:
Some people think the USA isn’t all that great morally presently so it all depends on your point of view.
You’re right about that. There is genocide going on right here in the US with these horrific abortions that have gone on for the past 33 years.
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When a people lose their aboriginal faith they lose the very soul of their culture.
Soul of their culture?? God gave all of us His soul. How can you say that these people had their own “soul of culture?”
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This is all very interesting. I’m on this site to learn and not inflame people’s anger. My apologies if anything I said offends anyone as its not my intention.
I’m glad you are here to learn. Apology accepted. 🙂
 
Nitpicking is another word for clarifying - and I’m fine with that. 🙂

Aboriginal refers to the original people (or thing) of a land. For example, I would prefer that the original peoples of the land keep their original faith.
Aboriginal are the indigenous people who lived in Canada before Europeans settled. It’s the same for the indigenous people of Australia. But it’s more so known of the Austrialians.
 
People misbehave so they pay the consequence. If you look at Uganda ( I believe), a catholic country, it has the most successful AIDS prevention on the continental.
Uganda has reduced the number of AIDs by a combonation of so many people actually already dying from it and a good public education campaign. in the 1990s 30% of all pregnant women had AIDS. The numbers are actually in danger of rising again because there’s been a shift from promoting condoms to focusing on abstinance. Additionally, it is generally believed that the figures are much worse than what is officially reported. THe only discrepancy being how much \worse.

The approach used in Uganda has been named the ABC approach - firstly, encouraging sexual Abstinence until marriage; secondly, advising those who are sexually active to Be faithful to a single partner or to reduce their number of partners; and finally, especially if you have more than one sexual partner, always use a Condom. avert.org/aidsuganda.htm
 
Both Christian and Muslim sources, it appears, agree that Christianity is winning the battle for souls in Africa. David Barrett (in the World Christian Encyclopedia, 2001) projects that the count of African Christians will rise to 634 million in 2025 from 360 million in 2000, while the number of African Muslims will rise to 519 million from 283 million - increases, respectively, of 49% against 40%. One Muslim cleric asserts that 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity each year. [2]

Muslims inflict violence on Christians, Jenkins reports:**

A new Jerusalem in sub-Saharan Africa**

atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/HL12Aa01.html
Many are Anglicans, especially in Nigerian, Uganda, Rwanda, etc.
 
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