Christians and Catholics being persecuted in Egypt?

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I’m not the one who thinks we can create an accurate psychological profile of Muhammad based on the scant historical, let alone medically relevant, records of him. I guess you have far more energy to waste than I do.🤷
Right, because the most influential tyrants of all time who actually ordered the massacre of those who defied them or went against their will, were perfectly rational individuals. No psychological abnormalities there what so ever.

Ridiculous…
 
You can’t really be claiming that Muhammed is to Islam what Luther is to Christianity! Muhammed invented Islam. Sure, he claimed to be a prophet in the true line of Jesus, Moses and Abraham, but that’s as specious as Joseph Smith’s claims. He started the religion and wrote it’s holy books. Nothing like Luther.

And what gives you the idea that only one source claims Muhammed’s impeccability in Islamic teaching? (I have certain problems with Spencer myself) Granted it’s only been a small sample (including the rare poster here), but I’ve yet to meet a muslim who believes Muhammed ever committed a sin (or any of the real prophets, actually).

I’ll grant you that some of what Muhammed actually did in his life (as portrayed in the Koran) probably embarrasses and confuses the vast majority of muslims who would love to find a way to explain it away and try very hard to do so (because they are decent people). But you’re kidding yourself if you believe that Islamic teaching sees Muhammed the way Christians see Luther (or even the saints). I’m aware of no Lutheran in history ever to claim the sinlessness of Luther. The very idea is an oxymoron!

But once again, we’re just flailing at each other here. I’ll have to live with not changing your mind! 😉

P.S. Islam is both a culture and a religion. There’s no “Aha!” involved in criticizing Islamic culture versus Islamic faith. It’s like the head and tail of a coin: can’t be separated.
  1. So Martin Luther played no role what so ever in the invention of Protestantism? Really? I guess that’s why a Protestant Bible is exactly like a Catholic one. Oh wait…
  2. You also have Catholics and non-Catholics who believe saint= infallible/everything they said/wrote is correct in regards to Church teachings.
  3. No, I don’t think Protestants view Luther the same way that Muslims view Muhammad (hence my phrasing- “For a very rough comparison…”). I do think, however, that my comparison (Luther and Muhammad) is more accurate than your first one (Christ and Muhammad). I don’t know why I didn’t even think of Smith. That is a much better comparison than Luther or Christ.
  4. Christianity is also a culture and a religion. The only real difference between Islam and Christianity in this regard is that Islam approaches it like a overbearing parent to an irresponsible child (you have to do X,Y, and Z, here let me make you do it) and Christianity approaches it like an instructor teaching a student the proper way to do something (here’s the answer, here’s why the answer is correct, don’t come back crying when you fail the test because you chose to ignore me).
  5. Yeah, I think we both just need to learn to put up with the other. I’m pretty sure we are closer together on this issue than we think, but the medium of our discussion is getting in the way. I’m just going to drop this thread from my radar because I’m getting to worked up over it. Have a good night.
 
Right, because the most influential tyrants of all time who actually ordered the massacre of those who defied them or went against their will, were perfectly rational individuals. No psychological abnormalities there what so ever.

Ridiculous…
Evil doesn’t exist solely in an insane or abnormal mind. Perfectly rational individuals are fully capable of undertaking evil acts. If they weren’t, than the Church’s teachings concerning sin and free will would be incorrect.
 
I don’t know why I didn’t even think of Smith. That is a much better comparison than Luther or Christ.

  1. Yeah, I think we both just need to learn to put up with the other. I’m pretty sure we are closer together on this issue than we think, but the medium of our discussion is getting in the way. I’m just going to drop this thread from my radar because I’m getting to worked up over it. Have a good night.
How 'bout that, eh? Common ground after all. I enjoyed the back and forth (aka head butts).
 
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