Christians Remarried

[Matt33]

IMHO if someone is Baptized Catholic but not confirmed then they aren’t Catholic. As an adult, it is at confirmation that we choose to abide by the rules of the Church and be bound by it’s laws.This is a common misconception of what confirmation is. Once baptized catholic a person is Catholic hence why children can recieve the Eucharist having not been confirmed.

If someone is of another Christian faithdenomination and they divorced and re-married that is truly between they and God.But what is it from a Catholic (Truth) perspective? They do not realize nor believe it is a mortal sin and thus can not be held (they don’t even believe in degrees of sin actually)Some denominations do not believe in degrees of sin and some do. held responsible.

Joe

 

[Matt33]

CTH stands for someone who was baptized a Catholic

NC stands for someone who has never been baptized a Catholic.

NC marries NC, neither have ever been married. Church considers this a valid marriage. If they have both had a trinitarian baptism, it is also sacramental.

NC divorces NC and marries another NC. Church considers the first marriage vaild, the second marriage is considered invalid. NC in this second “marriage” decides to become Catholic, they will have to live as brother and sister until the first marriage can be reviewed by the tribunal. If the tribunal finds the marriage was invalid, the second marriage is then considered valid. If the tribunal finds the first marriage was valid, the couple would have to cease living as man and wife in order to become Catholic.

CTH marries in a Baptist or Court House ceremony to NC, first wedding for both - no dispensation was sought for the CTH to marry outside the norms of the Church. Church considers the marriage invalid. They can go through counseling and be married validly in the Church.

This is the correct Catholic answer.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nope! If you get married in another church and it is not Catholic and by a minister, it is not valid to the church. If you get married and it is by the civil law then the church can have it annuled and you can get married in the Catholic church but you have to be Baptized Catholic and have RCIA classes. Remember once you are Baptized Catholic you are alway’s Catholic? So would you not get Baptized Catholic if you never baptised Catholic.? And someone grought up a good point, you are not Catholic until you are confermed? Can you be confermed the same day you are baptised?

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

By the logic in this thread, no one can ever be considered to have converted, truly, from one faith to another. All those converts are still really, secretly Presbyterians and Lutherans, etc…

When someone converts to the Catholic Church from Episcopalian, do we tell them they have to go formally renounce with their bishop? I don’t remember that part of RCIA so I am thinking no. We accept them based on their own free choice to enter the Church.

Goes the other way too, as far as I am concerned. It’s about respecting freedom and free will and the capacity of adults to choose.

HI I missed replying to you so here goes, it also goes by what you know and how fast you can learn the faith cause I mess up alot but I consider it a learning thing. i can be a thorn in your flesh but we all could learn a little patience and help the other guy instead of ridicule. you are Loved Nancy

 

[kage_ar]

Nope! If you get married in another church and it is not Catholic and by a minister, it is not valid to the church. ?

If both have never been baptized Catholic and are free to marry (have no prior marriages) the Church presumes the marriage is valid.

If you get married and it is by the civil law then the church can have it annuled and you can get married in the Catholic church but you have to be Baptized Catholic and have RCIA classes. ?

If someone who was never baptized Catholic and is free to marry marries in a civil ceremony, it is presumed to be valid by the Church.

If a baptized Catholic wishes to marry in a civil marriage, they are to request a dispensation from the Bishop. Should they run off to the court house and marry without that dispensation, the marriage is invalid.

One does not “have” anything “annulled”. The Tribunal of the Church will review a marriage to see if it was valid or invalid. If the Tribunal finds it to be invalid, they issue a Decree of Nullity.

RCIA classes have nothing to do with marriage. Those classes are the normal way a non-Christian becomes Catholic.

And someone grought up a good point, you are not Catholic until you are confermed? Can you be confermed the same day you are baptised?

You are Catholic by virtue of your Catholic baptism.

And, yes, there are times when Confirmation takes place at the same time as Baptism, in Eastern Churches and when someone over age 7 comes into the Faith that is the normal process.

 

[Seatuck]

By the logic in this thread, no one can ever be considered to have converted, truly, from one faith to another. All those converts are still really, secretly Presbyterians and Lutherans, etc…

When someone converts to the Catholic Church from Episcopalian, do we tell them they have to go formally renounce with their bishop? I don’t remember that part of RCIA so I am thinking no. We accept them based on their own free choice to enter the Church.

Goes the other way too, as far as I am concerned. It’s about respecting freedom and free will and the capacity of adults to choose.

Converts to the Catholic make a profession of faith and make promises to obey our laws and believe what we believe.

Catholics who leave the church must do so by a formal act to be relieved of their responsibilities to Canon Law.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

HI Seatuck and Kage, you both said something I would like to talk about but in PM if possible? this is very interesting. How about if you didn’t know something? Would you still be considered as going against the church? LOL? Are you guy’s sure they didn’t change something?

 

[kage_ar]

HI Seatuck and Kage, you both said something I would like to talk about but in PM if possible? this is very interesting. How about if you didn’t know something? Would you still be considered as going against the church? LOL? Are you guy’s sure they didn’t change something?

I believe my PM box has room