These laws are consistent with Nazi Germany, 1936.I’ve watched Russia in the news and I’ve seen that they put a law banning homosexual propoganda to minors, banned Russian children from being adopted in countries where gay marriage is legal, banned gay pride parades, strong federal support to the Church. I know that in Russia they are separated from the Catholic Church but if they were Catholic, are these laws consistent with Catholic teachings on church and state?
That skates very close to insulting those who were victims of Nazism, IMNAAHO.These laws are consistent with Nazi Germany, 1936.
One that also doesn’t exist in the US constitution (read the first amendment) I might add. Does Russia have an official religion, out of curiosity? I don’t think it does; but would anyone really object to a country that is say, officially Catholic doing the same thing? I mean, it’s THEIR country.That skates very close to insulting those who were victims of Nazism, IMNAAHO.
Not only is no-one being killed in Russia, but disapproval of alternative forms of sexuality is not even comparable to persecuting citizens based on their genetic origins.
In any case, “separation of church and state” is a very Western idea.
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Exactly. The legalization of immoral behavior is a relatively recent issue in the US. The indoctrination occurring in the media and in public schools are important issues.Strip clubs and pornography were also illegal most places in the US, and I don’t think many people compared us with Nazi Germany because of it.
Well, in the UAE’s Dubai Emirate (which is considered “moderate” under Sharia), and in much of the Sharia Islamic world, one can be deported and otherwise punished for heterosexual public affection anyhow. Holding hands, kissing, hugging…Wow, pipe Francis calls for an apology to gays for them being marginalized, and there seems to be a huge increase in these kind of threads (punishment for sodomy/homosexual acts illegal) and now church and state. There is no way the Vatican would endorse this kind of discriminatory law. In Russia under this law I could go to jail or worse for holding my *husband’s hand in front of our own children. * that in itself is all one needs to know.
I think what they want it to be right now is like the Roman Empire after the Edict of Milan (AD 313) – all religions tolerated, homosexuality was still a practice, cults and religions could still set up their temples and houses of worship. Except “without the sexism,” I suppose.Exactly. The legalization of immoral behavior is a relatively recent issue in the US. The indoctrination occurring in the media and in public schools are important issues.
I am not interested in a State religion, but I am concerned by a State that uses the force of law as far as who gets to use which bathroom.
I don’t think Russia has strong federal support for the Church. It has come out that it’s illegal to evangelize outside the church buildings.I’ve watched Russia in the news and I’ve seen that they put a law banning homosexual propoganda to minors, banned Russian children from being adopted in countries where gay marriage is legal, banned gay pride parades,** strong federal support to the Church.** I know that in Russia they are separated from the Catholic Church but if they were Catholic, are these laws consistent with Catholic teachings on church and state?
OP, what are “the Catholic teachings on church and state?”[A]re these laws consistent with Catholic teachings on church and state?
Post Soviet Russia has very strong support for the Church - the Russian Orthodox Church. All others, for the most part, are not so welcome. They obviously have other branches of the Church in the country as guests, but as you said, they have made it criminal to evangelize/proselytize in public. That has put a damper on Evangelical and Mormon efforts especially. Oh, and Jews haven’t been welcome in a VERY long time. Pogroms are still a distant memory to many.I don’t think Russia has strong federal support for the Church. It has come out that it’s illegal to evangelize outside the church buildings.
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There are quite a few countries which have laws against proselytizing, two are America’s close allies Saudi Arabia and Israel.Post Soviet Russia has very strong support for the Church - the Russian Orthodox Church. All others, for the most part, are not so welcome. They obviously have other branches of the Church in the country as guests, but as you said, they have made it criminal to evangelize/proselytize in public. That has put a damper on Evangelical and Mormon efforts especially. Oh, and Jews haven’t been welcome in a VERY long time. Pogroms are still a distant memory to many.
Yes. Agreed. I don’t know Saudi Arabia but I do know Israel. They are quite fine with being multi-religious (it is the Holy Land, after all), allowing even Mormons to settle there, but there are strict rules about proselytizing. I can well understand why, given the history of forced conversions.There are quite a few countries which have laws against proselytizing, two are America’s close allies Saudi Arabia and Israel.
I’d imagine the law is more pragmatic than that; the place is a religious tinderbox. The last thing they need is the faith bodies that share it accusing each other of poaching their adherents.Yes. Agreed. I don’t know Saudi Arabia but I do know Israel. They are quite fine with being multi-religious (it is the Holy Land, after all), allowing even Mormons to settle there, but there are strict rules about proselytizing. I can well understand why, given the history of forced conversions.