Church Position on abortion

[Lynn-D]

Catholic Church’s position on abortion.
newsmax.com/headlines/catholic_abortion_health/2009/08/17/248947.html?s=al&promo_code=8590-1

I just recently downloaded this article to which I fully agree on the issue of abortion but find fault in my Church’s position in regard to other health care issues that will lead in its entirety to the abortion question if we continue to support the US Health-Plan currently devised and under debate.

If abortion and euthanasia, no matter if called a ‘consultation’, is allowed we may well see the fiction movie ‘Soylent Green’ come to fruition, perhaps not now but in the near future. Where does it end?

We either are Catholic and take that to mean what it is or allow others to define what we should be or we might well find ourselves without merit in the abortion and near death argument.

I personally don’t trust any mandate that might well be a back door method to advance the very real questionable issue of abortion and near death:… stem cell research from aborted fetal cells, euthanasia no matter what term it may define, or even the inclusion of a bureaucrat in advising and even interfering with a doctor and patient free interaction.

I want to die in peace and comfort if possible and in the company of my priest, not in accord with the decisions of a government employee.

What say you???

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

The amendment to fund comprehensive plans that include abortion, rather than abortion directly, is nothing but transparent money laundering.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Bluegoat]

The idea that there is a consultation on euthanasia is a myth. It is a chance for an ill or dying person to discuss things like DNR orders, what to do if they can’t communicate, palliative care, and extraordinary measures. None of these things are euthanasia, according to the Catholic Church. The Church would also support the idea that it is very important for patients to discuss these things with doctors and counselors.

 

[Lynn-D]

The idea that there is a consultation on euthanasia is a myth. It is a chance for an ill or dying person to discuss things like DNR orders, what to do if they can’t communicate, palliative care, and extraordinary measures. None of these things are euthanasia, according to the Catholic Church. The Church would also support the idea that it is very important for patients to discuss these things with doctors and counselors.

I get a different reading from what I read. It is suggested a five year re-consultation for all over 65. How does that become more informative than a talk with ones doctor and pastor I might ask?
I have a living will and stated in it is Catholic policy for my treatment when near death. Why do I need to be advised by a stranger who might well be a new doctor I just met or just began treatment upon me. Is he going to comfort me and adhere to my Catholic beliefs?
Too many assume the bill proposed to be exclusive when in fact it has very wide latitudes of imposition.

 

[djeter]

Is there a Catholic position paper somewhere that outlines what end of life care should be and shouldn’t be? Something I could print out and put into a file or copy a link and email to a physician?

dj

 

[Lynn-D]

Is there a Catholic position paper somewhere that outlines what end of life care should be and shouldn’t be? Something I could print out and put into a file or copy a link and email to a physician?

dj

Our Catholic Witness diocese paper did have a position paper some time ago. Not sure if still available but I will try to obtain a copy. OK?

I do know that just recently Pope Benedict did state his position on abortion after his talk with Obama in Rome. He said the Church would not support any health care plan that included abortion and/or any hint of end of life advice not approved by the church. I agree fully with the Pontiff of course.

Go to the vatican papal position papers and I am sure you will find the Church’s stance. Mayby someone has that link available to avoid a search.

 

[Bluegoat]

I get a different reading from what I read. It is suggested a five year re-consultation for all over 65. How does that become more informative than a talk with ones doctor and pastor I might ask?
I have a living will and stated in it is Catholic policy for my treatment when near death. Why do I need to be advised by a stranger who might well be a new doctor I just met or just began treatment upon me. Is he going to comfort me and adhere to my Catholic beliefs?
Too many assume the bill proposed to be exclusive when in fact it has very wide latitudes of imposition.

Well, one might wish to speak to an expert on end of life issues, which not all doctors are, or especially an expert in palliative care, or even a priest or church representative with a background in that specific area. And one’s own doctor would likely be part of such a consultation. He’d like to be paid for it too.

 

[Ignatius]

The amendment to fund comprehensive plans that include abortion, rather than abortion directly, is nothing but transparent money laundering.

The administration is using stealth and obfuscation to rush their bill through with the FOCA like and other provisions they were unable to get through in a forthright manner if due time for deliberation and discussion were given. The bureaucrats will then be appointed by this administration of death and set up whatever is needed to implement it unless specific language is included prohibiting it.

That is why the bills need to explicitly do the following. 1) Put explicit language in the bill forbidding euthanasia and assisted suicide just so the nameless, unelected bureaucrats who will be running it don’t get confused. 2) Be administered by the patient and the physician without interference from unelected bureaucrats. 3) Include language specifically prohibiting taxpayer funding of abortion. 4) ) Language must be included to prohibit coercion of any nurse, physician, pharmacist or other medical practitioner from into activities which would violate their conscience. Protection of conscience must be inviolate.
5) It must be the program that congress uses, just to insure that it is fair and eliminate any bias in favour of the ruling political class. 6) Be started as a limited pilot program in a few selected locations in order to determine if the optimistic predictions as to cost savings and benefits materialize rather than dropped wholesale on the whole country.

Decisions with regard to care, especially end of life care, is something that the government bureaucrats have no business whatsoever having any say in. Government must be absolutely and completely hands off in this area. This is really quite simple: We don’t want faceless, unelected bureaucrats having any say whatsoever in our medical decisions!!!

This is precisely what is so horrifyingly wrong with the government plans currently being considered. All this intrusion in areas in which they have no business and the unmitigated hubris to refuse to address these problems with the specific language necessary to solve the problems with that legislation.

 

[Lynn-D]

Well, one might wish to speak to an expert on end of life issues, which not all doctors are, or especially an expert in palliative care, or even a priest or church representative with a background in that specific area. And one’s own doctor would likely be part of such a consultation. He’d like to be paid for it too.

I almost died three times in my life. Once when just out of college due to an auto accident. No, did not have a chance for end of life talk with anyone. I was resuscitated by a passing EMS who sucked the blood out of my lungs that would have drowned me.

Since then and because of a congenital abdominal problem I bleed out and severely. Enough that first time 3 transfusions; second time 2 transfusions and 10 units of plasma. The difference between the first and the later episodes was that I could talk to my doctor and he did listen to my concerns. It was part of my regular visit and that was that. No form to fill out, no questions other than my answers to him. And no darn bureaucrat watching over his should nor mine. My doctor of course is a doctor who cares and that is what most of us want. Not someone in Washington who has no idea of my or anyone’s else’s mindset and how we might wish to prepare for death.

I have a living will and my priest knows it is in conformity with church doctrine. If someone decides not to do that fine, let them get advice or even solace from anyone they like. Maybe even talk to family who will actually be the ones really affected in the end. Leave the darn government out of my last days and the manner I die. It is none of their business.

Don’t get me started on abortion. Three words tell how I feel: It is murder! God knew me before I was born and in that I know my soul was there from the moment he gave me life to go on and be.