Church Should Welcome Gays & Lesbians and article by Fr. McBrien

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Church Should Welcome Gays & Lesbians and article by Fr. McBrien is in my diocesan paper…

Early in June, Bishop J. Terry Steib of Memphis announced in his regular column in The West Tennessee Catholic the inauguration of a new diocesan ministry to gay and lesbian Catholics “to be sure that we do not leave anyone behind” and that “all are welcome in their own home.”

He disclosed that he had been reflecting of late on the church as a home: “I have become more acutely aware of the number of people-- the number of Catholics-- who are no longer comfortable in their home. In fact, some are no longer certain that the Church is their home.”

Such feelings of alienation, the bishop pointed out, can develop for various reasons. Sometimes they are generated by “the circumstances of life that cause people to feel estranged or separated.” Occasionally, it is a matter of misunderstanding the teachings of the church, or of sensing that their lives do not conform to the values and expectations of others, “or worse,” of feeling that “who they are is unacceptable.”

Bishop Steib reported that he had met recently with several gay and lesbian Catholics, and later with their parents. “For all of them,” he wrote, “being Catholic is at the core of who they are. At the same time, they are people who are not sure of ‘their place’ in their home. They are people – wonderful, good Catholic people – who are gay and lesbian.”

The parents of these gay and lesbian Catholics, the bishop observed, see the “goodness” and “giftedness” of their sons and daughters, “but they also see (their) loneliness … as no one else sees it.”

He urged his readers to recognize and accept their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as full-fledged members of the church, “welcome in their own home,” and to “lay aside preconceived notions of who does or does not belong.”

The bishop pointed to Jesus as our model, and Jesus, he insisted, “loved all, lived for all, and died for all.”

Himself an African-American, Bishop Steib cited the era of slavery in the U.S. South, the “march of tears” of Native Americans and the grape strikes in California as reminders “that God’s work is always hampered when human beings are afraid of differences in each other.”

“A new ministry with gay and lesbian persons,” he explained, “will push open even further the door to promoting understanding and compassion among all of us. It will open the door to ‘home’ for many who are an important part of who we are, and to a segment of our family that has been apart from us for too long.”

“In my meetings with gay and lesbian Catholics,” Bishop Steib noted, “I told them that God does not withhold love from any of us. I believe that wholeheartedly. God’s love is unconditional and that is the gift God offers us in Christ Jesus: the gift of loving each other with that same Godly and unconditional love.”

It is no secret that any discussion of homosexuality – particularly one without the standard condemnations – makes many people uncomfortable, inside and outside the church. It is also no secret that those who write and speak as Bishop Steib has done are perceived by many others as a threat even to the faith itself.

In fact, Bishop Steib’s initiative was viewed as so much of a threat that the editor of a weekly paper in a nearby diocese was explicitly forbidden by his own bishop to publish anything about Bishop Steib’s column and his inauguration of a diocesan ministry of outreach to gay and lesbian Catholics.

Unfortunately, such stories can be multiplied. One openly gay priest was recently ordered by his provincial to excise a reference to his sexual orientation in a book that he was about to publish on Catholic spirituality.

A high-ranking Vatican spokesman once suggested that homosexuals cannot validly be ordained, and there have been persistent rumors that Rome will issue a directive prohibiting the admission of gays into seminaries and the priesthood.

There is, however, a certain ambivalence in the church’s official approach to homosexuality. It teaches that homosexuality is an “objective disorder” and that homosexual acts are an “intrinsic moral evil.” At the same time, the church insists that the homosexual is a person of dignity who should never be the object of contempt or discrimination.

Wherever the fault might lie, many gay and lesbian Catholics feel like strangers in their own home – unwelcome and looked down upon, just as Bishop Steib has said.

If there were more bishops like him, that situation would surely begin to change.

Father McBrien is a professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame.
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Why would those who try to live a Catholic life choose to use terms like “gay” which are politically loaded?
 
Just substitute the work “adulterer” for “homosexual” and it becomes readily apparent that Fr. McBrien is being incredibly disingenuous, for he knows perfectly well what Jesus would say to the homosexual–the same thing he said to the adulteress: “Go and sin no more.” Having a predilection for any particular sin does not make one special nor should it make anyone less loved, nor excuse a life of sin, either.
 
IF this bishop is remaining true to the teachings and directives of the Church on the issues of homosexuality and chastity, then I applaud him for his outreach. I believe he shouldn’t call it “ministry to gays and lesbians,” though. Maybe something like…oh, I don’t know…COURAGE, maybe?
Having a predilection for any particular sin does not make one special nor should it make anyone less loved, nor excuse a life of sin, either.
I agree but that’s not the way things work out here in the real world. Ask an adulterer about what they think of the Church and they shrug. Ask a homosexual about what they think about the Church and they get livid…why is this? Could it be that adultery is considered by many to merely be an “illicit moral act” while homosexual acts are the worst possible thing one can conceive of doing? How many would wink and nudge an adulterer buddy of theirs, then proceed to throw stones at a homasexial? Many in the Church are hypocritical on this issue and people can see that.

I would tell both to repent and believe in the Gospel so they can have life with Christ.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
I agree but that’s not the way things work out here in the real world. Ask an adulterer about what they think of the Church and they shrug. Ask a homosexual about what they think about the Church and they get livid…why is this? Could it be that adultery is considered by many to merely be an “illicit moral act” while homosexual acts are the worst possible thing one can conceive of doing? How many would wink and nudge an adulterer buddy of theirs, then proceed to throw stones at a homasexial? Many in the Church are hypocritical on this issue and people can see that.
I agree with this. And another point I’d like to bring up is that the VAST majority of people married these days indulged in fornication before they were married. The difference is, they can get married and “make everything better”, and never commit the sin of fornication again, while the person in a homosexual relationship doesn’t have that option.

I’m not necessarily advocating gay marriage here, before any goes off and suggests I am. I’m just stating a fact.

Mike
 
I believe it is most important that we show Charity to all our brethren, be they straight or gay. Sometimes charity means speaking the truth in love. And the truth is, taking action on a homosexual tendancy is a sin.

We need to always love the sinner, but not the sin. We need to help them to understand that identifying themselves by their sinfulness creates scandal and makes it difficult for others to live according to Christ. If they are not sinning, then why do they want everyone to focus on the temptation that haunts them?

Just my humble opinion of the matter,

CARose
 
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LCMS_No_More:
IF this bishop is remaining true to the teachings and directives of the Church on the issues of homosexuality and chastity, then I applaud him for his outreach. I believe he shouldn’t call it “ministry to gays and lesbians,” though. Maybe something like…oh, I don’t know…COURAGE, maybe?
He isn’t a bishop (thanks be to God and the Holy Angels).

It’s one thing to welcome people who suffer from SSA into the Church, admit them to the Sacraments, pray with them, and affirm them in their struggle to carry their cross (each of us is commanded to do this, to pick up our cross and follow Jesus). We should do this. It’s entirely another to “affirm” their disorder as good and natural, as some ecclesial communities are doing. I wonder which option Father McBrien is advocating?
 
Father McBrien seems to miss the point of people’s concerns.

Not only did the quotes from the bishop lack any mention of the destructiveness of sodomy (to be blunt), but they imply that homosexuality is the fundamental identity of those that suffer SSA.

HELLO? How do McBrien and the bishop DEFINE gay?

As usual, definitions are the problem here. I have absolutely no problem with a man who has musical, athletic and intellectual interests similar to mine, but oh by the way has a difficult time dealing with his SSA. I’d have no problem being in parish men’s groups with him, bible study, choir, etc.

But if you define ‘gay’ as being someone outwardly and actively involved and supportive of the promiscuous gay lifestyle, then NO! Such people should be no more “accepted” in normal parish life than Larry Flynt, Margaret Sanger or an unrepentant pederast priest would be. Does Father McBrien advocate ‘inclusiveness’ for these folks as well?
 
The question is - Should the Church welcome Father McBrien and his writings?
 
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LCMS_No_More:
IF this bishop is remaining true to the teachings and directives of the Church on the issues of homosexuality and chastity, then I applaud him for his outreach. I believe he shouldn’t call it “ministry to gays and lesbians,” though. Maybe something like…oh, I don’t know…COURAGE, maybe?
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Sorry, LCMS, I thought you mistook Fr. McBrien for a bishop!
 
We need to help them to understand that identifying themselves by their sinfulness creates scandal and makes it difficult for others to live according to Christ.
It depends on what you mean by that. If you believe that we should sweep people with same-sex attractions under the rug and ignore their specific issues, then I ardently disagree with you. I believe that people with specific issues should be ministered to according to their needs. People with same-sex attractions (or phomosexual attractions, if you like) do have special concerns and issues that the Church can and should deal with. That’s why there is the Courage apostolate…to deal with the issue in accord with the teachings of the Church. I wish there were more apostolates out there doing the same…
 
He disclosed that he had been reflecting of late on the church as a home: “I have become more acutely aware of the number of people-- the number of Catholics-- who are no longer comfortable in their home. In fact, some are no longer certain that the Church is their home.”
Gee, for a minute there I almost thought he was talking about traditional Catholics who were discouraged at seeing the post-Vatican II liberalization of the Church.
 
Dont’ trust a word this guy says. He is a constant complainer about the church and I would not give weight to anything he writes. He is so slanted against the church it is amazing. Only at a University could he hide out. Remember, lies are easier to believe than the truth because they are lies.
 
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timmyo:
Dont’ trust a word this guy says. He is a constant complainer about the church and I would not give weight to anything he writes. He is so slanted against the church it is amazing. Only at a University could he hide out. Remember, lies are easier to believe than the truth because they are lies.
He is doing more than hiding out in a university. He gets regularly published in the newspaper for the Diocese of Rochester. What a headache. 😦
 
From what I can gather Father is correct in his attempt to minister to homosexual persons.
What could be potentialy dangerous is how the people he ministers too define themselves. If someone defines themselves by thier sexuality rather than thier faith then that is an issue. if Father is urging Chastity within his call to people with SSA back to the Church then that is appropriate. If he is accepting of SSA behaviour then that is incorrect.
Someone can be a Faithful and devouted Catholic with SSA only if they vow Chastity as is called to all in the Church.
How a person Identifies themselves is imperative, I hope Father will be addressing this and seeing them (and they themselves) as Catholics with SSA not ‘gays’ who happen to be Catholic.
God Bless
Br CreosMary
 
I would not pay any attention to Fr. McBrien. He is known as one of the biggest dissenters of the Church…

ourladyswarriors.org/

Dissenting Author and Speakers page

He is not worth the time of day to read or listen. Just ignore him & pray he starts to follow the Cathecism of the Church.

We have great priests out there (Fr. Corapi, Fr. Groeschel, ect) who spread the message of our Church. We don’t need to waste our time with “Fr. McBrien the Dissenter”.
 
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CreosMary:
Someone can be a Faithful and devouted Catholic with SSA only if they vow Chastity as is called to all in the Church./color]

Actually, chastity is not a vow, it’s a virtue that ALL Christians are called to, regardless of station in life.
 
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