City Drops Plan to Change Definition of Gender

[Gabriel_Gale]

New York City’s Board of Health unexpectedly withdrew a proposal yesterday that would have allowed people to alter the sex on their birth certificates without sex-change surgery.
The plan, if passed, would have put New York at the forefront of a movement to eliminate anatomical considerations when defining gender. It had been lauded by some mental health professionals and transgender advocates who said it would reduce discrimination against men and women who lived as members of the opposite sex.

 

[Reepicheep]

:whacky:

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Friends,

We really do need to promote the study of the Theology of the Body. What seems obvious to us escapes most of the geniuses outside the Church. Heretofore, I’ve made the reading an option in my Theology 101 classes. I’m going to figure out a way to make it mandatory.

CDL

 

[dafalax]

“Man and woman He created them, but, hey. What did He know?”

 

[Benedictus]

Ugh. Gender is a grammatical construct. Sex refers to whether a person is male or female. Words have gender, people have sex.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Ugh. Gender is a grammatical construct. Sex refers to whether a person is male or female. Words have gender, people have sex.

Terchnically, that is true. But how does it apply to this situation?

CDL

 

[jc-servant]

This article is unreal. I cannot believe the individual quoted who basically acts as if women who would be concerned about males carrying documents that say they are female while they are physically male are just prejudiced.

I’m one of those women who does not want to be in a restroom or changing facility at the gym with a man dresses like a woman no matter what he “feels” in his head or his heart about his sex. He is still physically a male! What would prevent a rapist from changing his documentation and using that as a way to have easy access to victims? I’m glad NY scrapped this nutty plan.

The police already have enough trouble managing people disguised as the opposite sex. I was assigned a case as an attorney in which a person had been arrested looking like and pretending to be a man, but when they tried to put “him” in a males only holding cell after the whole book-in process “he” advised the officers that “he” was wearing certain fake body parts and “he” was actually a “she.” I cannot imagine all of the lawsuits and mess if they had actually put her in the male drunk tank even due to her own duplicity.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Ugh. Gender is a grammatical construct. Sex refers to whether a person is male or female. Words have gender, people have sex.

**Thank goodness someone else knows this . **​

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**People are animals. Animals are sexed by considering their anatomy. Therefore, a human’s sex is found out by considering that human’s anatomy - not by what they feel they are. If it looks like a male - it’s a male: even if he thinks of himself as a woman. Yet some claim there are five sexes **

Law-makers ask for trouble when they treat special cases as usual; they have to judge by what is normal behaviour, not by the exceptions. The moment they cease to discriminate normal from abnormal, they are asking for chaos, moral & legal. ##

 

[Digitonomy]

People are animals. Animals are sexed by considering their anatomy. Therefore, a human’s sex is found out by considering that human’s anatomy - not by what they feel they are. If it looks like a male - it’s a male: even if he thinks of himself as a woman.

##That’s how it used to be done, but then you’d run into people whose anatomical development consigned them to the opposite of their true sex, or where it was impossible to determine which sex they were. It is more accurate to say that people are sexed according to their sex chromosomes - XX vs XY.

 

[pathia]

That’s how it used to be done, but then you’d run into people whose anatomical development consigned them to the opposite of their true sex, or where it was impossible to determine which sex they were. It is more accurate to say that people are sexed according to their sex chromosomes - XX vs XY.

Some people’s chromosomes are neither XX or XY, mine are neither, however from what I understand this was about transgenders, not intersexed people.

Rachel

 

[Digitonomy]

Some people’s chromosomes are neither XX or XY, mine are neither, however from what I understand this was about transgenders, not intersexed people.Rachel

Very good point. In the process of correcting what I considered an overly simplistic anatomical approach, I simplified the genetic issue.

 

[Gabriel_Gale]

Definitions are important. Here is the definition of transgendered from the New York Times:

The term ‘‘transgendered’’ covers a range of people, including heterosexual cross-dressers, homosexual drag queens and transsexuals who believe they were born in the wrong body.

 

[Digitonomy]

More strangeness on this issue…

It’s the testosterone that makes the fetus into a boy. The genes that are important for this switch are generally located on the Y chromosome. By the 1992 Winter Games, officials started testing for one of these genes, called SRY—if you had it, you couldn’t compete as a woman.

That test didn’t work, either. Having the SRY gene material, or even a Y chromosome, doesn’t always make you a man. Some people born with a Y chromosome develop all the physical characteristics of a woman except internal female sex organs. This can result from a defect in one of genes that allows the body to process testosterone. Someone with this condition (known as “androgen insensitivity syndrome”) might be XY, and she might develop testes. But she’ll end up a woman, because her body never responds to the testosterone she’s producing. Other signs of AIS include hairless genitalia and the absence of menstruation.

Since testosterone helps in building muscle and strength, a case of androgen insensitivity syndrome wouldn’t give an XY-female athlete any kind of competitive advantage; if anything, it would be a liability. Seven of the eight women who tested positive for Y-chromosomal material during the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta had some form of AIS. They were allowed to compete.
Source

 

[pathia]

More strangeness on this issue…

Yup. There can be errors in the Chromosome count, what’s on the chromosomes, hormones, what the hormones do, and what hormones are made and whether or not they actually do anything.

There is actually alot more variance than people think, since genetic testing is easier now a days, doctors are finding new ‘wrong’ things with chromosomes and other things. The thing is, before the latest technology the only way to know something was ‘wrong’ was if you could not have a child, or make a woman with child. Not all of these conditions always cause sterility.

The easiest way to explain my own personal chromosome situation is this, an egg and a sperm are only supposed to have provide one sex chromosome for the resulting baby. An X or a Y. Either of the two things happened with me to give me my results.

1.) Dad’s sperm carried XY instead of just an X or a Y.
2.) Mom’s carried XX instead of just one X.

It’s completely impossible to tell which, because it happened at the moment of conception.