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[Good_Fella]

And Jesus’ merits should cause us to live righteous and devout lives and stay on the Way. Putting your faith in Jesus translates into how you live

Agreed! Faith is much more than an intellectual assent. Faith and belief are not the same thing. Jesus died also to merit grace for us, for we are expected to “work out (not work for) our salvation in fear and trembling.” Our good works have been prepared for us by God so that we should be saved.

Since Christ alone has produced our eternal reward, and all grace originates from him, we cannot earn our salvation as a just wage, but we can certainly be entitled to a reward, because God is just and has ordained with necessity that this is how it should be in all righteousness now that Christ has reconciled the whole world to the Father. By co-operating with God’s actual graces, we won’t lose our reward (Jas. 4:8).

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[Markie_Boy]

Sad to see so much arguing between followers of Jesus.

Today is The Assumption of Mary - made official in 1950. If you lived in 1949 and did not agree with this idea, that was your opinion, and you’d be fine as a Catholic. If you didn’t change your mind by the end of 1950, you were no longer in line with Catholic teaching - possibly a heretic?

Is this so essential to salvation we’d make heretics out of people that were not?

Should the Church have done this???

 

[Good_Fella]

Sad to see so much arguing between followers of Jesus.

Then don’t go looking for an argument.

Today is The Assumption of Mary - made official in 1950. If you lived in 1949 and did not agree with this idea, that was your opinion, and you’d be fine as a Catholic. If you didn’t change your mind by the end of 1950, you were no longer in line with Catholic teaching - possibly a heretic?

Not true. The divinity of Christ was defined as dogma at the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea l in A.D. 325 because not believing in it wasn’t an option.

All that the Church officially and consistently teaches in the Ordinary Magisterium of the popes as being of “divine and catholic faith” is taught infallibly in matters directly related to salvation. This includes the consistent teachings of the fathers and doctors of the Church. Infallibility is not confined to the Extraordinary Magisterium of the popes or all the bishops in union with the pope in an Ecumenical Council when proposing a dogma. You fail to understand what dogma means.

Is this so essential to salvation we’d make heretics out of people that were not?
Should the Church have done this???

What is essential to our salvation is that we accept all the official teachings of the Catholic Church, which is the One and only church Christ founded on Peter the Rock. He who rejects the infallible teachings of the Church rejects Christ. This is what having a personal relationship with Jesus is all about (Lk. 10:16; 1 Thess. 4:8; 1 Jn. 4:6).

Non-Catholic Christians who deny the Assumption do so because they don’t really know Jesus as well as they think they do. True knowledge of God is essential for our salvation. You’re kindly invited to see my blog on the Assumption, which is revealed in Scripture at least implicitly.

blessedaboveallwomen.co/2016/04/25/arise-my-beloved-my-beautiful-one-and-come/

A blessed and peaceful Solemnity of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary to all!

http://www.knocklyonparish.ie/wp-co...umption-Mary-is-greeted-by-Jesus-her-son2.gif

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[Markie_Boy]

What is essential to our salvation is that we accept all the official teachings of the Catholic Church, which is the One and only church Christ founded on Peter the Rock. He who rejects the infallible teachings of the Church rejects Christ. This is what having a personal relationship with Jesus is all about (Lk. 10:16; 1 Thess. 4:8; 1 Jn. 4:6).

Help me understand - is the teaching of the assumption not dogma, and can I not accept it and not be at odds with the Church?

The Catholic Church has a lot of teaching that is not infallibly defined, and I don’t always know how or where to determine what is and isn’t?

Thank you!
Marc

Also - how do you quote part of a post?

 

[Good_Fella]

Help me understand - is the teaching of the assumption not dogma, and can I not accept it and not be at odds with the Church?

The Catholic Church has a lot of teaching that is not infallibly defined, and I don’t always know how or where to determine what is and isn’t?

Thank you!
Marc

Also - how do you quote part of a post?

newadvent.org/cathen/05089a.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

To quote someone type QUOTE in square brackets and /quote in square brackets with the poster’s original written comment in between when you reach Reply to Thread.

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[Markie_Boy]

Thanks! Checked the links posted - not exactly light reading.

Can I ask - do you know if the teaching on the assumption is required or not?

Thanks,
Marc

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Sad to see so much arguing between followers of Jesus.

Today is The Assumption of Mary - made official in 1950. If you lived in 1949 and did not agree with this idea, that was your opinion, and you’d be fine as a Catholic. If you didn’t change your mind by the end of 1950, you were no longer in line with Catholic teaching - possibly a heretic?

Is this so essential to salvation we’d make heretics out of people that were not?

Should the Church have done this???

Apparently, you haven’t heard of the Dormition. The Feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos was already established as a feast before the 20th century. The tradition that Mary was assumed into heaven was first found in the Apocryphal Gospel of Thomas. So it was already orthodox teaching that Mary was taken into heaven. You do know that the Real Presence was not made a dogma until the 12th century. However, the real presence was orthodox teaching from the time of Jesus Himself! So if people don’t want to believe in it, or that Mary was assumed into heaven, well that’s their problem. You’d be better focusing on yourself than on others.

 

[Richca]

Thanks! Checked the links posted - not exactly light reading.

Can I ask - do you know if the teaching on the assumption is required or not?

Thanks,
Marc

Yes, the teaching of the assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary body and soul into a heaven is a dogma of the catholic faith, a divinely revealed truth, which no catholic can deny and which requires the assent of faith. Pope Pius XII on November 1, 1950, defined the dogma (ex cathedra) of the assumption of Mary body and soul into heaven (it is an infallible truth of the catholic faith):

… by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.

Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.

…It is forbidden to any man to change this, our declaration, pronouncement, and definition or, by rash attempt, to oppose and counter it. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

Below is the link to the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Pius XII, MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS, Defining the Dogma of the Assumption:

w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-xii_apc_19501101_munificentissimus-deus.html

 

[Good_Fella]

Thanks! Checked the links posted - not exactly light reading.

Can I ask - do you know if the teaching on the assumption is required or not?

Thanks,
Marc

My pleasure.

Everything the Church officially teaches is required, or else it wouldn’t be taught and have to be accepted as divinely revealed. Jesus founded his Church so that the fullness of the divine mysteries should be revealed over time. He sent the Holy Spirit explicitly for this purpose (John 16:12-13; 2 Cor. 1:18-22). If the Church has erred on this matter of faith or in any of her Marian doctrines and has been inconstant in her mission, then Jesus failed in his promise to guide his Church in all truth. And if that’s the case, we would have to seriously question whether we haven’t erred in believing that Jesus is a divine person in his humanity, or that God is an undivided Trinity of Persons. Forget about what is written in the NT. One can easily see things in hindsight bias. The Apostles and the apostle Paul couldn’t have known for sure who God and Jesus actually were just by reading the OT. What they came to see and believe in the light of faith through the Holy Spirit was then applied to the Books of the OT to confirm the Christian faith. They interpreted the OT in light of the Apostolic Tradition (Mt. 1:23-24; Acts 8:26-40). Our belief that Mary is the Mother of God, that she was Ever-Virgin, that she was immaculately conceived preserved free from all stain of original sin, and was thereby assumed body and soul into Heaven are no less revealed divine truths seen in the light of faith through the agency of the Holy Spirit. These truths can be confirmed by going all the way back to Genesis 3:15. No prophecy is a matter of private interpretation. This authority is granted only to the Church as the Rule of Faith under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the governance of the Magisterium (central teaching authority). Christ ordered it this way for his bride from the beginning (Mt. 16:16-18; Acts 15:28 ; 2 Pet. 1:20; 1 Tim. 3:15). Unfortunately, some Catholic clergy and academicians in the 16th century refused to see it that way any longer. They decided to place their trust in their own personal judgements. As a result, Protestantism is in a “perpetual state of demolition.”

New Advent isn’t exactly light reading. :hypno: But you can skim through the articles to find what interests you.

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