Coat Hanger Argument to Abortion

[thomfra]

It is either they don’t believe it is human life or they don’t value human life. Which is it?

???

 

[dmelosi]

If you want to argue that I am “pro-abortion” and “smokescreening” you can do it until your hearts content.

But it will not make it true.

The point is, the country in which you live has legalized abortion. Fact.

The question I have asked was “why?”.

Why is there a need/percieved need for abortion, which has led to it’s legalization?

If you can’t remove yourself from this blinkered mode of thinking you will never come any further to solving a difficult issue. It’s not as simple as “they don’t value human life, they are evil”. It’s just not.

The blink blink comments that pro-lifers only look at one way to reduce abortions is simply silly.

I can’t believe that so many who are so tied to the democratic party make this argument. It really is a matter of believe your party or believe your church.

 

[buffalo]

The blink blink comments that pro-lifers only look at one way to reduce abortions is simply silly.

I can’t believe that so many who are so tied to the democratic party make this argument. It really is a matter of believe your party or believe your church.

Party first
Materialism second
Selfishness third

 

[thomfra]

The blink blink comments that pro-lifers only look at one way to reduce abortions is simply silly.

I can’t believe that so many who are so tied to the democratic party make this argument. It really is a matter of believe your party or believe your church.

Well I am not tied to the Democratic party. I don’t even live in the US.

 

[dmelosi]

Well I am not tied to the Democratic party. I don’t even live in the US.

I should have said tied to the Democratic party or liberal/secular point of view.

Can any liberal not see that their point of view is almost all of the time the same as the secular point of view. If nothing else i wouldn’t want to be associated with a group of people doing everything they can to deny God.

If a pro life person who votes democrat is liberal, wouldn’t it make more sense to work within the pro life party and try to change things they disagree with…rather than work within the pro choice party and not change the pro life issue?

 

[fix]

But ideally society should be set up so that there is no shame in being raped (to take an extreme example), or becoming pregnant out of wedlock.

I agree there is no shame in being assaulted, but there is also no shame in fornication and out of wedlock births anymore either. That is partly why the actions are so common.

Ever notice why they always cover the face/protect the identity of women who are raped on TV. if they were victims of any other crime they would show their face on TV and scream to the world what has been done to them.

They are protecting the victim which is reasonable and good.

Yet we (as a society) still have a hang up about a woman being “pure” etc…so this in turn creates some of the pressure to abort “unwanted” children.

This is nonsense. Purity is not valued much anymore. The problem is not that we value purity the problem is we no longer value purity.

If we didn’t have these hang ups, there may well be fewer abortions.

Also nonsense.

 

[mapleoak]

If you can’t remove yourself from this blinkered mode of thinking you will never come any further to solving a difficult issue. It’s not as simple as “they don’t value human life, they are evil”. It’s just not.

What issue are you trying to solve? Our goal is to eliminate the murder of the unborn. It is a contradiction to say “I value life and have no problem killing life”.

 

[mapleoak]

This is nonsense. Purity is not valued much anymore. The problem is not that we value purity the problem is we no longer value purity.

Also nonsense.

In fact, if purity actually were valued, we wouldn’t have nearly the number of abortions that we do. I think of it as a viscious circle. Lack of purity results in more abortions. Availability of abortions encourages disdain for purity.

 

[fix]

In fact, if purity actually were valued, we wouldn’t have nearly the number of abortions that we do. I think of it as a viscious circle. Lack of purity results in more abortions. Availability of abortions encourages disdain for purity.

Yes, very true. It, also, seems ironic to me to claim “hang ups” about purity contribute to abortion yet having an abortion is not shameful in this culture.

IOW, he is claiming we are ashamed of purity but not abortion.

 

[Chinamom]

Abortion victimizes EVERYONE involved, the mother, the innocent baby, and the father who isn’t even given a “choice” because he happened to be the male parent. And what about the grandparents, future siblings (which will never know while on Earth their older sister or brother), the people whose lives would have been changed by that precious unborn life…the list goes on and on…Entire civilizations may never know what might have been had that child lived.