codependency scripture alone gives an inadequate answer

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ah, NO it is not silly. If one went with a strict “bible alone” then when they apply an indispenary approach they are in fact going outside a strict bible alone approach, that is the very reasoning those books I referrenced above use.

:rolleyes:

I looked at your link and will give it some reading, but I don’t see it doing much interaction with catholic arguments, apologetics. It appears on the surface to be mostly polemics. Yes, I did see the one or two interactions, I am speaking of the bulk of the links.

How would they deal with these Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura By Joel Peters
geocities.com/militantis/solascriptura.html

Feel Free to take on one of those 21 arguments at at time and allow catholics to interact before starting on the next point. Take them in any order you want – we have all the time in the world to go over those 21 arguments, so don’t feel you need to deal with them all in a day or two.

In fact, why are there so many different definitions given for what Bible Alone, Sola Scriptura even means among us protestants?

What would you use as the standard definition of sola scriptura? And, why that specific definition?
 
Al I would teach my daughter how to change the oil and spark plugs.
 
Here’s my two cents worth.

My husband is an alcoholic.

He CHOSE to drink and then CHOSE to drink to excess. He can CHOOSE to quit and be a non-drinker.

I’m so very tired of the “disease” label alcoholics are given. How can you CHOSE to have a disease? What you are CHOOSING is a behavior that will cause other diseases like cirrhosis of the liver.

It is sinful to drink in excess. It is the sin of gluttony, lust and greed. In other words, you drink to excess, over drink, drink more than you need, so you partake in alcohol in a gluttonous way. You lust for alcohol, want it when you know you shouldn’t have it and will get it and drink it at any cost. You hold on to it and seek it out with greed. Excessive drinking can also lead to the sin of sloth when a person becomes lazy, depressed and apathetic as a result of drinking.

I have done a lot of research and studying on alcoholism and how it affects the family. I know how it has affected my family and what it does to me specifically. My husband has been CHOOSING drink over me, it’s that simple.

I know now, I have to have a bottom line. No, it’s not “raising the bottom” for him, it’s where the rubber meets the road. If he takes another drink, he is out of here. I will not tolerate the turmoil and the stress his drinking puts on me and my DD. He is sober now, but his sobriety is very young, less than 30 days.

I do not espouse AA or Al Anon. I went to a meeting and found it very disturbing to sit around and talk about “my alcoholic”. I have a very close relationship with God already and He is what is getting me through this right now. I am currently seeing a secular counselor as well, and she helps me with my emotional issues. I can go to her and vent and get “counsel” for what is troubling me. I also visit with my priest on a regular basis to keep my spiritual house in order. I had a very rough time over the summer when things spiraled down and out of control, but now I know what I need to do to keep myself sane and safe.

There are two websites where I got better and much more practical no nonsense information from. The first I found was Smart Recovery. I read extensively there, then my husband found Rational Recovery, which made even more sense to me.

I’ve already had many defend and try to convert me to the 12-step / AA / Al Anon way of thinking. I know AA has been the salvation of many alcoholics and 12 stepping has been the answer for many other forms of addiction. It just isn’t the answer for me or for my husband, and honestly, I think if more people took the approach of just quitting, and not labeling and giving an excuse to the habit, they would be so much better off.

Our current society wants to be able to place blame for every bad behavior on someone or something. We want to label everything so we have permission or a reason to be the way we are when if we really looked inside of ourselves we would find the real reason we are the way we are is the person looking back at us in the mirror. If you chose it, own it.
 
What we have here is failure to communicate.

Sandusky, are you saying that a Bible-only approach can include medical treatment and non-Biblical counciling?
 
Lamb_Serenade said:
Here’s my two cents worth.

My husband is an alcoholic.

He CHOSE to drink and then CHOSE to drink to excess. He can CHOOSE to quit and be a non-drinker.

I’m so very tired of the “disease” label alcoholics are given. How can you CHOSE to have a disease? What you are CHOOSING is a behavior that will cause other diseases like cirrhosis of the liver.

It is sinful to drink in excess. It is the sin of gluttony, lust and greed. In other words, you drink to excess, over drink, drink more than you need, so you partake in alcohol in a gluttonous way. You lust for alcohol, want it when you know you shouldn’t have it and will get it and drink it at any cost. You hold on to it and seek it out with greed. Excessive drinking can also lead to the sin of sloth when a person becomes lazy, depressed and apathetic as a result of drinking.

I have done a lot of research and studying on alcoholism and how it affects the family. I know how it has affected my family and what it does to me specifically. My husband has been CHOOSING drink over me, it’s that simple.

I know now, I have to have a bottom line. No, it’s not “raising the bottom” for him, it’s where the rubber meets the road. If he takes another drink, he is out of here. I will not tolerate the turmoil and the stress his drinking puts on me and my DD. He is sober now, but his sobriety is very young, less than 30 days.

I do not espouse AA or Al Anon. I went to a meeting and found it very disturbing to sit around and talk about “my alcoholic”. I have a very close relationship with God already and He is what is getting me through this right now. I am currently seeing a secular counselor as well, and she helps me with my emotional issues. I can go to her and vent and get “counsel” for what is troubling me. I also visit with my priest on a regular basis to keep my spiritual house in order. I had a very rough time over the summer when things spiraled down and out of control, but now I know what I need to do to keep myself sane and safe.

There are two websites where I got better and much more practical no nonsense information from. The first I found was Smart Recovery. I read extensively there, then my husband found Rational Recovery, which made even more sense to me.

I’ve already had many defend and try to convert me to the 12-step / AA / Al Anon way of thinking. I know AA has been the salvation of many alcoholics and 12 stepping has been the answer for many other forms of addiction. It just isn’t the answer for me or for my husband, and honestly, I think if more people took the approach of just quitting, and not labeling and giving an excuse to the habit, they would be so much better off.

Our current society wants to be able to place blame for every bad behavior on someone or something. We want to label everything so we have permission or a reason to be the way we are when if we really looked inside of ourselves we would find the real reason we are the way we are is the person looking back at us in the mirror. If you chose it, own it.
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Well said, Debbie. :tiphat:
 
ralphinal said:
What we have here is failure to communicate.

Sandusky, are you saying that a Bible-only approach can include medical treatment and non-Biblical counciling?
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Medical exam is good, but they shouldn’t counsel; shrinks are not good; they teach self-deception, IMHO, and experience.
 
sandusky said:
Medical exam is good, but they shouldn’t counsel; shrinks are not good; they teach self-deception, IMHO, and experience.
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Allright, but what about counseling that has a Biblical basis? Something that incorporates Christianity and psychotherapy? Yes, it does exist.
 
See Sirach chapter 38 1:15"Honor the physician with honor due him,according to your need of him, for the Lord created him; for healing comes from the Most High and he will receive a gift from the King. The skill of the physician lifts up his head, and in the presence of great men he is admired. The Lord created medicine from the earth and a sensible man will not despise them.Was not water made sweet with a tree in order that His power might be known? And He gave skill to men that He might be glorified in His marvelous works.By them He heals and takes away pain;the pharmacist makes them a compound.His works will never be finished; and from Him health is on the face of the earth. My son when you are sick do not be negligent, but pray to the Lord, and He will heal you…Give up your faults and direct your hands aright, and cleanse your heart from all sin.offer a sweet-smelling sacrifice and a memorial portion of fine flour, and pour oil on your offering, as much as you can afford. And give the physician his place for the the Lord created him;let him not leave you, for there is need of him. There is time when success lies in the hands of a physicians, for they too will pray to the Lord that He should grant them success in diagnosis and in healing , for the sake of preserving life. He who sins before his Maker, may fall into the care of physicians.",/FONT] In illnesses of all kinds turn to God,prayer,repentance, and medical help.All these can work together for God’s glory!:o
 
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ralphinal:
Allright, but what about counseling that has a Biblical basis? Something that incorporates Christianity and psychotherapy? Yes, it does exist.
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I know it exists, and would never advise it—especially not for one who claims to be a Christian.
 
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