Coincidence of Catholic/Pagan Holidays

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It helps to know the motivation behind the line of enquiry.

Is your friend saying that Christmas is celebrated on the wrong day, or that Christmas ought not to be celebrated, period?
 
Help! I have a friend who thinks that the Catholic Church is the world’s biggest conspiracy. Most of what he says is so ignorant that I don’t give it much thought, however he brought up a “point” for lack of a better word that I wasn’t able to refute and was hoping that someone here could help.

He pointed out that the major Catholic Holidays directly coincide with pagan celebrations!
My dear friend, every single day of the year was dedicated to multiple pagan celebrations, they had so many that they had to celebrate several each day.
For example Sunday used to belong to the god of the sun, of course that is no longer true, now it belongs to The Son of God!
 
Also the names of the week (mon, tues, weds, etc…), the names of the months (july, august, etc…), and the planets (mars, jupiter, etc…) where names of pagan gods and emperors. The Church can take pagan things and Christianize them.
 
Nowadays, the pagans and the secular archaeologists are using that against us, by saying that The Virgin Mary in Guadalupe was a manifestation of their goddess or that she’s this or that goddess, even if we don’t see her as a goddess. They’re doing the same with Easter rabbits and Christmas trees. Maybe we are almost worshipping paganized characters, at least with holiday characters, such as the mercantile version of Saint Nicholas and The Easter Bunny. Some have lots of these unreligious decorations up in far greater numbers than religious ones. The holidays can be celebrated paganish, too, with drinking too much and what not. We’re not going to fall for their blasphemy about Mary, but we could do away with trees and rabbits without it causing a deficit of tradition.
 
He pointed out that the major Catholic Holidays directly coincide with pagan celebrations and since the pagan religion was around before Catholicism that the Church simply copied those dates to force conversions.
Christmas is Christmas no matter what pagan holidays coincidentally have the same date. The following video is very reasonable, logical, scientific, historical, and biblical in it’s approach showing that the first Christmas was on December 25, 2 BC. This is the 7-part video:

The Real Star Of Bethlehem
youtube.com/watch?v=aCLmRB-OpGE

He states that Jesus was not born on Dec 25 yet the Catholic Church faithfully celebrates every year.
There’s compelling evidence to show that Jesus was indeed born on December 25:

December 25th Birth Of Christ
youtube.com/watch?v=UQS_Wc4Bnoc
 
Coincidence of Catholic/Pagan Holidays
There are only 365 days in the normal year so at some point two celebrations will appear on the same day and definately appear within a few days of each other.

You must remember that there wasn’t one huge pagan religion, different lands had different pagan gods.

I always find it strange that atheists keep talking about Christmas “taking over” pagan feasts rather than pagans saying it themselves.

I guess this just proves the atheists are bitter.
 
Did I bring up the question of by what calendar Christmas is on the pagan holiday, the Julian or the Gregorian. They’re about 2 weeks apart. Personally, I’d prefer Christmas to be in March. The present giving should definitely be moved to St. Nicholas Day, so he doesn’t outshine Christ. St. Nick must not like how we do that, and in honor of a corruption of his legacy, and, besides, kids would like presents earlier, too. Though Mary doesn’t outshine Christ, even she isn’t given more attention on Christmas and Easter than her son.
 
That is quite debatable. For example, the usual pagan suspect actually didn’t use December 25 as a sacred date until nearly two centuries after the birth of the Church. So, then, who’s copying whom?

– Mark L. Chance.
Yes, I’ve read that. To be precise, Emperor Aurelian officially established worship of a Roman version of a sun god, under the name of Sol Invictus, as the principal cult of the empire on December 25, 274. He may have done so in response to Christians in the Empire already celebrating Christ’s birth on that day as a way of trying to undercut the Christian celebration.

The evidence on this point is too spotty for anyone to say for certain.

– Mark L. Chance.
Christmas is Christmas no matter what pagan holidays coincidentally have the same date. The following video is very reasonable, logical, scientific, historical, and biblical in it’s approach showing that the first Christmas was on December 25, 2 BC. This is the 7-part video:

The Real Star Of Bethlehem
youtube.com/watch?v=aCLmRB-OpGE


There’s compelling evidence to show that Jesus was indeed born on December 25:

December 25th Birth Of Christ
youtube.com/watch?v=UQS_Wc4Bnoc
Zechariah was acting as high priest when the birth of St. John the baptizer was announced to him in the Holy of Holies in the Temple. That would have been on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement which falls in late September. St. John was conceived shortly thereafter during Sukkot, the Festival of Booths.

At the Annunciation, the BVM was told that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant. That would have been in late March. (BTW the feast of the Annunciation is celebrated on March 25th in the Roman Calendar. Oh, those rascally Catlicks!)

Nine months later Jesus was born sometime in late December.

Now there is an interesting coincidence with all this. St. John would have been born near the Summer Solstice (the longest day of the year) everyday after that would get shorter until the Winter Solstice six months later, which is the shortest day of the year. Every day after that would get longer. In the First Century the Winter Solstice fell on December 25th.

It would be fitting that Jesus would have been born on the shortest day of the year because he is the “Light of the World”:

**Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12) **

Everyday after his birth there was more light.

Also St. John the Baptizer said of himself:

He must increase, but I must decrease.” (John 3:30)

Which is exactly what happened to the daylight after their respective births. (This was the point St. Augustine made in his championing the celebration of Jesus’ birth on the Winter Solstice).

So despite the objections of some pundits, December 25th is a very reasonable date to celebrate Jesus’ birth and not a concession to paganism.

just found out something interesting. Mark Shea has a new three volume set on the BVM entitled Mary: Mother of the Son which has lots of detail about the history of the devotion to Our Lady.

In one of those volumes he shows that the Winter Solstice was NOT a Roman Civil holiday until the late 3rd Century AD. The Emperor Aurelian made December 25th a civil holiday because the Christians were already using it to celebrate the Birth of Jesus and he was trying to detract from the Christian celebration!

None of the Sun Cults used December 25th before then. It appears that the Winter Solstice was originally a CHRISTIAN feast that the pagans tried to paganize, not the other way around.
 
Very cool! Thanks! But what about those shepherds tending their flock in the way they were that shouldn’t happen at that time of the year that get brought up by the revisionists? Was it unseasonably warm?
 
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