Coitis Interuptis with NFP

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Just a few comments…

Urinating after intercourse decreases the risk of UTI, because it flushes bacteria from the urethra. The physical act of intercourse massages bacteria (usually E. coli or Staph) into the urethra. Kegels, bearing down, and expelling seminal fluid (though semen is probably more accurate) are not standard recommendations for preventing UTIs. The Seminal Fluid Instruction taught in the Creighton Model includes voiding, which is the act that flushes the bacteria. BTW, DO NOT kegel while you urinate.

Cheddarsox is not alone in her rejection of this instruction. This is the Billings’ response to the seminal fluid instruction:
The instruction to the woman to expel seminal fluid, presumably because it is confusing or restrictive, is totally rejected by BOM, as unnatural, intrusive and divisive. The BOM observes and records nature as it is and the couples cooperate with the rules of these observations, and with each other, without unnatural
practices. Source.
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Because the SFI is a possible answer to the OP’s question, IMO it is important for him and his wife to be informed of objections to this instruction. Again, this is only my opinion.
 
I just go to the bathroom normally. Sit there (not forcing anything) for a little bit extra than normal (maybe an extra minute or two) to allow excess fluid to drain out naturally. Wipe down/cleanse all exterior parts thoroughly, and put on a panty liner to catch anything that is remaining. After about 30-60 minutes (once everything’s drained) I use the restroom again and discard the liner.
That’s getting rid of what is falling out naturally. It’s not pushing out what isn’t coming out on its own. It has the same effect, but is less forceful. It kind of just lets nature take its course.
**This would be both morally and medically proper. **
**I am with cheddarsox in that this is a plesant reminder of a wonderful, loving encounter with my husband. However, it also must be allowed to come out naturally to prevent infection. Holding it in against nature is unhealthy, but pushing it out forcefully seems rather unhealthy as well. 🤷 **
 
I doesn’t seem like the original question was ever directly dealt with and I too would like to investigate it further. I seem to remember something from the same book on moral theology that said in any semen at all gets in, the act is licit / valid / acceptable. It would seem so to me…we practice NFP, well, religiously (har-de-har-har:) ) and it would seem that if such an act (withdraw before complete ejaculation or ejaculation at bare minimum penetration) does NOT constitute onanism, it would be an additional help in the spacing of children.
 
I will admit I am not enough of an expert… but if one waits 30 minutes as instructed by the SFI rules I think, then that should be sufficient time for sperm that is capable of making to get into the cervix. Not all sperm can make it and this is good because they are defective anyway and therefore is nature’s way of attempting to ensure best quality at fertilizing. One has to remember that actions are judged on the basis of three things: circumstance, the act itself, and intention.
I do not think we need to reflect on the circumstnace in which the action takes place… that is not being called into question so lets look at the act and intention:
Act: is to draw down remaining fluid after relations. Well this happens normally… just over a slower time frame… and if waiting 30 minutes as suggested is sufficient time to allow many capable sperm of reaching the cervix and making it to the fallopian tubes provided a woman has a fertile environment for the mucous… and finally at best 500 make it to the tube, yet all you need is one to make it to that area… so the sperm that you do lose that would be lost normally anyways I doubt will affect likelihood of successful conception should the woman be fertile at that point. This draw dawn after thirty minutes will likely have absolutely no effect on chances of concieving.
Intention: Well as many have said, the intent is to prevent UTI’s and also help so they can better check their biological markers the next day… so they have no desire to contracept.
Just my 2 cents… maybe someone with a stronger background on the bio wants to (name removed by moderator)ut they can.
 
sock89 said:
Not to be too graphic here, but…

My wife and I are trying our best to follow church teaching. We practice NFP and obstain during fertile times right now for spacing and finacial reasons.

Even during the safe times, my wife does not like for me to remain in her until completion. She says that she (here goes) does not want the stuff coming out over a period of time.

The technical question is…does one have to deposit the entire amount or is “some” enough? Say I start to release inside and then stop and release the rest outside…good, bad, indifferent?
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**Sorry, I didn’t answer your original question. I was just moving with the flow of the thread. :o **
**I would most certainly put the entire ejaculation inside the vagina. It would be withdraw to do otherwise. **
**NOW…having said that. After you are all done, there’s nothing wrong with letting the excess semen come out naturally. This is not withdraw, it is letting nature take its course. Just, use the bathroom and wash/wipe off “down there” following lovemaking. Sit on the toiliet for a little extra than normal, to allow things to drain naturally. Follow with a liner if you think its still coming out. Then in about an hour, you can use the bathroom again, discard the liner, and be done. 🙂 **
 
Convert_in_99 said:
**Sorry, I didn’t answer your original question. I was just moving with the flow of the thread. :o **

**I would most certainly put the entire ejaculation inside the vagina. It would be withdraw to do otherwise. **

**NOW…having said that. After you are all done, there’s nothing wrong with letting the excess semen come out naturally. This is not withdraw, it is letting nature take its course. Just, use the bathroom and wash/wipe off “down there” following lovemaking. Sit on the toiliet for a little extra than normal, to allow things to drain naturally. Follow with a liner if you think its still coming out. Then in about an hour, you can use the bathroom again, discard the liner, and be done. 🙂 **
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Ok, i know this is graphic and off topic, but man, I leak for waaaay longer then an hour…i’m wearing a liner for a whole day seems like! 😊

Also, I think that ANY withdrawal is immoral…tell your wife to put a pantiliner on and quit whining (sorry so blunt, but that’s how I feel)
 
gam3rchic said:
Ok, i know this is graphic and off topic, but man, I leak for waaaay longer then an hour…i’m wearing a liner for a whole day seems like! 😊

Also, I think that ANY withdrawal is immoral…tell your wife to put a pantiliner on and quit whining (sorry so blunt, but that’s how I feel)
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Normally its only about an hour for me. Sometimes though it does take longer.
Yes, I am with you that withdraw is immoral, and the OP’s circumstance very much appears to be at least partial withdraw and spilling the seed.
**This is neither moral, nor pro-life. It is contraceptive just like a condom, diaphragm or any other barrier method. **
 
buffalo said:
Semen 'makes women happy’

Women exposed to their partner’s semen during sex may find themselves feeling happier than those who use a condom, say scientists. Scientists in the US believe the mood-altering hormones in semen absorbed through the vagina help to boost women’s mood.
Semen contains a range of hormones, including testosterone and oestrogen, both of which have been shown to improve mood.

more…
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That’s what I call a win-win situation!!!
 
Hi ya’ll!

My husband and I use NFP (Creighton Model) and love it. We are taught to wait about 15 minutes before doing the kegels to dispel seminal fluid, and this part of the process has nothing to do with avoiding pregnancy. It is simply to help with mucus observations because seminal fluid can sometimes look and feel like cervical mucus when doing observations. If the woman doesn’t bear down to dispel these fluids after intercourse, she may see this fluid in subsequent observations, which would throw off her charting (whether she is trying to avoid or achieve a pregnancy.

So, to reiterate, getting rid of seminal fluid has nothing to do with avoiding a pregnancy. At that point, it wouldn’t help anyway. 👍
 
How do people find these old threads? You’d have scroll for like 30 minutes for something 6 years old to come up!

In Christ,
Ellen
 
I asked the same thing on another resurrected thread and another poster said they find it through a google search. Maybe. What I don’t get is: why so many old threads? You’re right; I’d have to hunt to find them. Also, why does there seem to be a lot of new members registering over a short period of time? And why do they typcally have one post? When I see these I just expect that mods will be busy deleting a lot of spam in the near future.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
I asked the same thing on another resurrected thread and another poster said they find it through a google search. Maybe. What I don’t get is: why so many old threads? You’re right; I’d have to hunt to find them. Also, why does there seem to be a lot of new members registering over a short period of time? And why do they typcally have one post? When I see these I just expect that mods will be busy deleting a lot of spam in the near future.
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I’ve also noticed (I wasn’t here for a couple years, I’ve been back since Ash Wednesday when I gave up Facebook. Yeah, I know, totally defeating the purpose :p) that people are getting suspended and banned right and left lately. Play nice, people!

In Christ,
Ellen
 
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