Committing murder

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This is just a hypothetical question.

Suppose a person commits murder after he’s accepted Christ, will his status change from ‘saved’ to ‘doomed’? If so, it means that person’s depravity is greater than Christ’s love and sacrifice.
 
This is just a hypothetical question.

Suppose a person commits murder after he’s accepted Christ, will his status change from ‘saved’ to ‘doomed’? If so, it means that person’s depravity is greater than Christ’s love and sacrifice.
As Catholics our “accepting Christ” is baptism when all our sins are washed clean and we are fully connected with God. When we commit a great offense against God such as murder, willfully and with intent we separate ourselves from God by our own choice. Our connection with God can only be restored by an act of perfection contrition and going to confession where our sin can be absolved by a priest, acting through the power instilled in him by the Mediator of grace, Jesus.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm
VII. THE ACTS OF THE PENITENT
1450 "Penance requires . . . the sinner to endure all things willingly, be contrite of heart, confess with the lips, and practice complete humility and fruitful satisfaction."49
Contrition
1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."50
1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51
1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.52
 
This is just a hypothetical question.

Suppose a person commits murder after he’s accepted Christ, will his status change from ‘saved’ to ‘doomed’? If so, it means that person’s depravity is greater than Christ’s love and sacrifice.
Are you trying to say “once saved, always saved”? So regardless what a person does
wrong over and over and over has no effect on the person’s salvation because Christ’s
goodness and love is endless and will save that person no matter what he does?

If the wrong is serious enough, catholic teaching would say at the moment that person has lost their eternal salvation, and is no longer saved. But not for the reason you gave.
The Catholic reason is because that person has lost the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is in a letter of Paul’s. The Holy Spirit is literally driven out by serious sin which is also in the Bible. But once the sin is removed thru the Sacrament of Mercy, Confession, then the Holy Spirit will return. Sin and God are opposites; that is all bad and all good.

Just a thought on God’s mercy.
 
By that same logic, the person never has to accept Christ… because Christ being sufficient, should forgive all sins… even those not repented. You have to accept Christ, then be Baptized for forgiveness of sins. Now Christ was sufficient to forgive all sins, and IS sufficient to forgive all sins. It still has to be applied.

If you paint a wall with a coat of primer to cover some graffiti, the primer was sufficient to cover the graffiti. If you then paint new graffiti over the primer, it does not detract from the primers ability to cover the graffiti, the primer has to be applied. Christ is still sufficient to forgive all sins, but we through grace make application of the grace. It’s not new grace, it’s the same grace… it’s just being applied.
 
This is just a hypothetical question.

Suppose a person commits murder after he’s accepted Christ, will his status change from ‘saved’ to ‘doomed’? If so, it means that person’s depravity is greater than Christ’s love and sacrifice.
he will confess his sins to a priest, assuming he is contrite and repents of his sin and be absolved, and return to the state of sanctifying grace he enjoyed at his baptism. If he is not yet baptized it means he has not yet fully accepted Christ. When he does, all his sins will be washed away in that sacrament.
 
This is just a hypothetical question.

Suppose a person commits murder after he’s accepted Christ, will his status change from ‘saved’ to ‘doomed’? If so, it means that person’s depravity is greater than Christ’s love and sacrifice.
Christ’s love and sacrifice is greater than anything. He loves you so much that if you decide to send yourself to hell by breaking the 10 commandments he will let you go.
 
You are actually not sent to hell “for breaking the Ten Commandments.”
You ARE sent to hell for NOT REPENTING of breaking the Commandments.
There is a world of difference.

This OP has posted several provocative posts.
The more posts I see from him, it seems clear that he is here to pick a theological
fight. I am not sure if he is a Christian of any stripe at all.
He may be an unbeliever lurking here to try and disturb our peace.

If so, if THAT is the reason for the questions, he should understand, and
understand clearly, that his questions are NOT “brilliant,” NOT “news to us,”
NOT “amazing”, NOT “impressive.” Please. We have heard all these things before,
many, many, many times. The OP, if he is trying to pick a fight, needs to understand clearly that his questions aren’t breaking any new ground that we Catholics haven’t covered, and answered more than sufficiently, many times before.
If he wants to have a polite and reasoned discussion, we are all happy to accomodate him. But these posts seem quite pedantic and immature and mean-spirited.
If that’s the point of the posts, it would be wise to just ignore him or point him to threads that have already dealt with these issues and not waste our time re-inventing the wheel for someone who is only here to try and pick a fight. That is not our Catholic Spirit.
Love to all,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY
 
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