Company supporting immoral activity - what is my obligation?

[nickybr38]

The company I work at is sponsoring our town’s first ever gay pride parade. What is my moral obligation in this circumstance?

 

[Brendan_McCabe]

The company I work at is sponsoring our town’s first ever gay pride parade. What is my moral obligation in this circumstance?

Depends what your role in the company is. Do you have any influence on policy or do you just pick up a paycheck? if its the latter than you don’t have any obligation because one is not obliged to do something beyond their power.

 

[nickybr38]

Depends what your role in the company is. Do you have any influence on policy or do you just pick up a paycheck? if its the latter than you don’t have any obligation because one is not obliged to do something beyond their power.

You think so? That’s a relief then. I wasn’t sure what, if anything, I should do in this situation. If I were a customer, not an employee, I would probably stop shopping at the store… as an employee there’s not much I can do. I’ve already voiced my intention not to attend to coworkers… just wasn’t sure if there was more I was obligated to do.

 

[fermat]

Unless you have the ability to stop it, there is nothing you can do. You are not obligated to find a new job (though personally I would look). You should take the opportunity to make an anonymous complain, provided it could be truly anonymous.

 

[beeliner]

Unless you have the ability to stop it, there is nothing you can do. You are not obligated to find a new job (though personally I would look). You should take the opportunity to make an anonymous complain, provided it could be truly anonymous.

fermat (and nicky also), what is your theorem on why such a parade is immoral?

 

[ANNE_2]

Beeliner - Anything that promotes the gay lifestyle (sodomy) is immoral - a mortal sin.
We should never tolerate mortal sin.

 

[beeliner]

Beeliner - Anything that promotes the gay lifestyle (sodomy) is immoral - a mortal sin.
We should never tolerate mortal sin.

Anne, I believe that I am repeating myself, that, if my memory is not fading at my advanced age, I made this comment on a previous thread: I know many people with a homosexual orientation, with various lifestyles, some not that different from my own. What they do behind closed doors is like what we heterosexuals do likewise, no one’s business but their own. Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is responsible to his/her own conscience.

It seems to me that most such parades have the purpose of uniting those with a homosexual orientation against prejudice and discrimination, just as the civil rights marches of the 1960’s did. Maybe you were opposed to those also.

In any case, any time spent worrying about other people’s sins is better spent worrying about one’s own.

 

[ANNE_2]

Uniting homosexuals in social situations places them in situations of temptation.
Public displays (ie parades etc) celebrate the sinful lifestyle.

This Statement on the Vatican web site may be helpful to you.
" 15. We encourage the Bishops, then, to provide pastoral care in full accord with the teaching of the Church for homosexual persons of their dioceses.
No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. " - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

“LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

Gay parades never state that homosexual lifestyle is immoral.
They do not care about the eternal life of the person, or Saving their Souls.
These parades merely confirm each other in sin, and promote the gay lifestyle.

Admonishing sinners, Instructing the uniformed, Counselling the Doubtful - are Spiritual Works of Mercy.
If you love your Neighbor as commanded by Jesus, you will want him/her to get to Heaven.

 

[fermat]

Uniting homosexuals in social situations places them in situations of temptation.
Public displays (ie parades etc) celebrate the sinful lifestyle.

This Statement on the Vatican web site may be helpful to you.
" 15. We encourage the Bishops, then, to provide pastoral care in full accord with the teaching of the Church for homosexual persons of their dioceses.
No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. " - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

“LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

Gay parades never state that homosexual lifestyle is immoral.
They do not care about the eternal life of the person, or Saving their Souls.
These parades merely confirm each other in sin, and promote the gay lifestyle.

Admonishing sinners, Instructing the uniformed, Counselling the Doubtful - are Spiritual Works of Mercy.
If you love your Neighbor as commanded by Jesus, you will want him/her to get to Heaven.

What she said.

 

[fermat]

What they do behind closed doors is like what we heterosexuals do likewise, no one’s business but their own. Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is responsible to his/her own conscience.

Luke 17:3
Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

We have a duty to admonish the sinner. So much of the degradation of this society is based on the attitude that what we do in private has no effect on the rest of the world.

 

[nickybr38]

I was thinking along the lines of Beeliner, however I did some research after asking the Apologist here whether or not I could attend the parade and have decided to side with the Church.

Think about it. If they had a parade that hoped to stop discrimination against men and women who choose to cheat on their wives… would you call it immoral? If they had a parade that hoped to end discrimination against common law couples, would you call it immoral? If there was a parade hoping to stop discrimination against any immoral behavior, would you go?

I have many, many homosexual friends. Before I became Catholic I believed that there was nothing at all wrong with homosexuality, it’s what my church taught me. They are the ones who identify themselves by their sin. They are the ones who like to broadcast what they do behind closed doors. That said, I treat them the same as I treat my friends who sleep around with any guy who’s interested. I treat them the same as my friends who continually use the lord’s name as a curse… with love but with caution (so I never appear to approve of their behavior).

There IS a way to lodge an anonymous complaint (this is a small town but there are ways) so I will look into doing that. I know members of my parish are already approaching me to ask me what I think of the situation since they know I work there.

Anyway, thank you everyone for your responses.

 

[puzzleannie]

The company I work at is sponsoring our town’s first ever gay pride parade. What is my moral obligation in this circumstance?

you cannot participate at any level at all in the actual event, and they cannot legally force you to, that would amount to sexual harrasment

 

[PiousFriend]

fermat (and nicky also), what is your theorem on why such a parade is immoral?

Homosexual behavior is forbidden by God. I am writing this under the presumption that you are aware that there are behaviors which are very definitly forbidden by God. The behaviors that are forbidden by God are also referred to as “sins.” You may want to make note of the existence of behaviors named “sins,” because Jesus Christ, the Word through Whom all things were made and the second person of the Blessed Trinity, was incarnate and died for “sins.” The practice of homosexuality being a sin, and that Jesus died for it, would make homosexuality something to be avoided at all costs, wouldn’t you think?

Why celebrate sin? Sin caused Jesus so much grief and suffering.

 

[promethius95945]

It seems to me that most such parades have the purpose of uniting those with a homosexual orientation against prejudice and discrimination,

Ahem… in what world do you live in? Have you BEEN to a gay pride parade? I’ve seen the actions of “gay pride celebrations” and they rarely have to do with pastoral care so much as asserting that no one should have any qualms about engaging in an active homosexual lifestyle.

If it were truly just about ending prejudice and discrimination against those with same sex attraction, it would be an entirely different story, but it’s a bit dishonest to claim that gay pride parades, as a general rule, are ONLY focused on the non-sinful aspects of same sex attraction and not on promoting immorality as acceptable.

just as the civil rights marches of the 1960’s did. Maybe you were opposed to those also.

The civil rights marches of the 1960s weren’t promoting mortally sinful acts. I call a logical fallacy of false analogy on this statement.

In any case, any time spent worrying about other people’s sins is better spent worrying about one’s own.

It is sinful for a catholic to enable another in sin, even in something so simple as ascenting to the acceptability of a mortally sinful act or lifestyle. Catholics may not attend or give appearance of support to events which promulgate the acceptability of mortal sin.

 

[John21652]

Anne, I believe that I am repeating myself, that, if my memory is not fading at my advanced age, I made this comment on a previous thread: I know many people with a homosexual orientation, with various lifestyles, some not that different from my own. What they do behind closed doors is like what we heterosexuals do likewise, no one’s business but their own. Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is responsible to his/her own conscience.

It seems to me that most such parades have the purpose of uniting those with a homosexual orientation against prejudice and discrimination, just as the civil rights marches of the 1960’s did. Maybe you were opposed to those also.

In any case, any time spent worrying about other people’s sins is better spent worrying about one’s own.

If you think gay parades are about uniting gays and anyone else against predjudice, then your naivety is astounding. gay parades have one purpose and one purpose only and that is to flaunt the homosexual lifestyle in the face of a prevailing morality which has always condemned it. Gays are already protected from discrimination by law, so why the need for parades against discrimination? The answer is, of course, that the homosexual lobby wish to normalise the homosexual lifestyle.

As for the argument about what goes on behind closed doors, that is shot to pieces by the very actions of the gay lobby. They are making their immorality very, very public.

If the company the OP works for is genuine about supporting non-discrimination and sexual equality, then why not ask them to support a pro-heterosexual parade, or maybe a pro-nuclear family parade? If they refuse, inform the media of the company’s discriminatory attitude. Then you’ll soon see whether or not the company double standards and is just putting its money where the noisy minorities demand it be put.

 

[Glen_Ellen]

It seems to me that most such parades have the purpose of uniting those with a homosexual orientation against prejudice and discrimination, just as the civil rights marches of the 1960’s did. Maybe you were opposed to those also.

All the gay parades I have seen are extremely nasty, with people in various states of undress, often flashing or showing breasts or genitalia and engaging in lewd behavior and just generally being repulsive.

It has nothing about rights, and everything about promoting homosexual sex and the gay lifestyle.

Very gross stuff.