Concerned Thoughts About Padre Pio...(Merged Threads)

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I have recently been seeing multiple discussions on the issue of Padre Pio,that is,whether new certain means mean he could have been lying.

However,I myself think that some of the defenses and etc aren’t fully fledged or are not full complete explanations.That is why I want to clarify this topic as well as make it more clear to me by trying to bring up the new arguments and thoughts that I had.

Now,everyone already knows the story of Padre Pio and when he in 1918/1919 ordered a few grams of carbolic acid.I want to know the truth about this,since this one account has lead to a bit of controversy.

I have heard the usual facts given to explain away this one account.But I personally see it as incomplete and imperfect.I will bring up the things I would consider problems with the explanations and I would want people to finally clarify this thing to me.

Padre Pio now had his wounds disappaer after his death,and many physicians and doctors examined him and found out they were unexplainable.

However,here are the problems that I found out after I thought about it,and would like to see if people can clarify it to me:Pio’s wounds disappaering after his death is only told by a few people,and in the end,no one today can see if what they are telling is true.

Padre Pio covered his wounds up so it would not drive attention.This could mean all the bad ailments he could get if he was using some sort of acid to inflict them could be minimal as he would likely not use it often.

I would like people to respond to these thoughts I had in order for me to finally see the truth about this matter.Thanks.
 
Whether the stigmata is true or not, for me, the most important aspect of P. Pio was that he spent hours in the confessional, and according to the people who went to him, he could read their souls. He could tell them sins they forgot to confess from years back. It changed their lives because he knew things that only God could know, and God used his servant well. Reconciliation of sinners with God happened in his confessional. Hearts were changed. Because of that, I don’t have any problem with the accusations that he was some kind of fake. God knows the truth and I am satisfied with that.
 
Padre Pio was tormented during his life from persons in charge who persecuted him and accused him of all kinds of things. The Church finally recognized his deep holiness, and he has performed many documented miracles. The Church has declared him a Saint.
The amount of scrutiny is enormous for any saint, especially those with extraordinary gifts.
Padre Pio is a great Saint.
The prince of lies is always trying to discredit faithful Catholics. Don’t fall into this line of thinking. Ask Padre Pio for understanding. He’s a powerful intercessor.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I believe you can see the body on display still.

You may also want to read a the book Padre Pio: Under Investigation, which I reviewed here. 😉
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Actually the biggest problem I have with accepting the theory that Pio used carbolic acid for smallpocks is:why the secrecy?

If Padre Pio really did use acid for smallpocks then why did Padre pio say to the supplier to keep it in secrecy?
 
NormalBeliever said:
Actually the biggest problem I have with accepting the theory that Pio used carbolic acid for smallpocks is:why the secrecy?

If Padre Pio really did use acid for smallpocks then why did Padre pio say to the supplier to keep it in secrecy?
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They didn’t want to be known they were treating an infectious disease.
 
PennyinCanada said:
Whether the stigmata is true or not, for me, the most important aspect of P. Pio was that he spent hours in the confessional, and according to the people who went to him, he could read their souls. He could tell them sins they forgot to confess from years back. It changed their lives because he knew things that only God could know, and God used his servant well. Reconciliation of sinners with God happened in his confessional. Hearts were changed. Because of that, I don’t have any problem with the accusations that he was some kind of fake. God knows the truth and I am satisfied with that.
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I dont think anyone can doubt St Padre Pio in any way. He was truly a man of God. God bless him.
 
Knowing how the enemies of the Church spend all day trying to find fault with our Saints, I am not surprised that someone may have been able to formulate believable questions to try to discredit Padre Pio.
How do you think the new protestant sects in the Middle Ages lured ignorant people away from the Church? Through clever questions and outright lies!
History books enjoy demonizing the Spanish Inquisition (Catholic) for tortures and murder, which were used against blasphemers. However, There is not much written about protestant inquisitions in Holland, Germany and a couple of other countries torturing and murdering those who simply did not CONVERT to the appropriate local protestant sect!
Remember Henry VIII? He had St. Thomas More beheaded and his possessions stolen because he simply would not acquiesce to his divorce or accept Henry as the head of the Church!😦
 
Hi. Interesting. I have a bit of light here …
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      I recently attended the SCRC Catholic Renewal Convention on August 29, 2014 (scrc.org) in Anaheim, California (Pope approved).    Msgr. John Esseff was there.  He was spiritually directed by THE Padre Pio and also directed THE Mother Teresa.  For what credence one wants to give him (and I tend that would be a lot unless you think a man of his caliber would be lying or tricking or in the throes of demonic spirits or  somehow very mercenary), he had some interesting things to say.    First off, he had initially met Padre Pio at the saint's dining table when Padre Pio appeared ("bilocated")  and asked him to the effect of, "Be ye a curious onlooker?"   Esseff said no and came to be accepted by Padre Pio. (This is how plagued Pio was by curiosity seekers - that he had to ask this from a fellow priest!  He was very humiliated, disparaged, accused, shunned, and rejected by his own people.).  Esseff also had explained how (true to the stories) he would have blood running down his hands at mass and how it embarrassed him. Attending mass w Padre Pio would take several hours at least.  I think they said sometimes he heard confessions for 17 hours a day as well. And got physically tormented/ knocked about by demons at night so could not sleep ( he was a target for evil forces because he did so much good).
Padre Pio would be the last person I would think to pull an acid hoax or any other kind. His life had a lot of suffering. Like I said earlier, he was ridiculed by the community – even the Bishop treated him like a loony. Nobody believed him - they thought he was making all this stuff up. (The bishop thought he had put nails in his own hands to fake stigmata.). He complained to The Lord one day that he was so tired of all the suffering and sorrow (he was in constant pain) and received (not sure how- don’t remember) a response explaining how much monumental good he was doing for souls in heaven and on earth.

Hope this helps.
You can order CD’s of Esseff’s talk on scrc.org (and no, I do not work for or with them). He has a few-not sure which…one on the saints I think.
I am Catholic but (God forgive me) occasionally get my doubts, too.

Thanks, Fellow Catholic in Training
 
NormalBeliever said:
One more question:Why didn’t they want people to know they were treating a disease then?
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  1. It can scare the other parishioners and keep them away.
  2. The word spreads and any infected people will over populate the parish and then spread the disease even more.
  3. Depending on how expensive the medicine was, it could bring vandalism to the Parish.
 
NormalBeliever said:
Actually the biggest problem I have with accepting the theory that Pio used carbolic acid for smallpocks is:why the secrecy?

If Padre Pio really did use acid for smallpocks then why did Padre pio say to the supplier to keep it in secrecy?
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There could be any number of reasons to want privacy over a medical issue–we do it here in the modern U.S. all the time. But more than that, the carbolic acid theory posited by skeptics does not appear to hold up to scientific scrutiny to the nature of the wounds as examined by medical doctors.

The Truth about Padre Pio’s Stigmata: Answering the carbolic acid accusations
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
  1. It can scare the other parishioners and keep them away.
  2. The word spreads and any infected people will over populate the parish and then spread the disease even more.
  3. Depending on how expensive the medicine was, it could bring vandalism to the Parish.
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Hmm…interesting.Well,I have only a few more concerned thoughts.

One of the other biggest problems I have is the case with Seraphic College where the boys in the Seraphic College could not understand why Pio seemed to be hiding his hands under his garments during the classes that he was teaching.

The Father Guardian, Padre Paolino, noticed that Pio appeared to be covering up red spots on his hands with the sleeves of his habit.

However, he was not too concerned since he and Padre Pio had recently received burns on their hands from carbolic acid.

Now,why cover up?

It is said that Pio and the other man did not know they should have diluted the acid.

This is unlikely.

The human eye easily sees the difference between a red spot and a wound.

Paolino observed only that Pio had red spots. He even thought they matched carbolic acid marks.

If it is true that Pio used pure carbolic acid on the boys he injected, he would have known by then that it was dangerous and burns.

Yet the notes he wrote in secret requested undiluted acid.
 
Padre Pio didnt like to show the stigmata on his hands. This is well documented. He used to go out of his way to cover up his hands!

He is a true saint / man of God.

God bless him
 
NormalBeliever said:
Hmm…interesting.Well,I have only a few more concerned thoughts.

One of the other biggest problems I have is the case with Seraphic College where the boys in the Seraphic College could not understand why Pio seemed to be hiding his hands under his garments during the classes that he was teaching.

The Father Guardian, Padre Paolino, noticed that Pio appeared to be covering up red spots on his hands with the sleeves of his habit.

However, he was not too concerned since he and Padre Pio had recently received burns on their hands from carbolic acid.

Now,why cover up?

It is said that Pio and the other man did not know they should have diluted the acid.

This is unlikely.

The human eye easily sees the difference between a red spot and a wound.

Paolino observed only that Pio had red spots. He even thought they matched carbolic acid marks.

If it is true that Pio used pure carbolic acid on the boys he injected, he would have known by then that it was dangerous and burns.

Yet the notes he wrote in secret requested undiluted acid.
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There are many good books about Padre Pio. You should read a couple of them.
Padre Pio, in his humility did not like to show the stigmata. He considered it embarrassing.
His superiors hated it…they threatened him all the time about “showing off” “drawing attention to himself” and other verbal abuse. While the faithful was aware, the small town was bombarded by people clamoring to get close to him, He could not live a normal life at all. He was cautioned to remain as anonymous as possible, to not show himself to people, and he lived a life of humble, devout, “bewilderment” if you will, at the answer to his prayers. He accepted the cross of the Stigmata, but it was not an easy cross to bear.
You can imagine the hoopla over this. cut him some slack, eh? Not everyone has evil intent. He struggled to put Christ first when so many people were placing him and his affliction first. Think about the gawkers. He’s trying to say Mass piously, hear confessions, and all people want to see if the wounds. Tough road. Then they miraculously healed after exactly 50 years. Self inflicted wounds that last 50 years do not heal overnight. With no scars.You should read a couple of the books written by EYEWITNESSES.
I think there you will find the answers you seek.
 
NormalBeliever said:
Hmm…interesting.Well,I have only a few more concerned thoughts.
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Tone on the internet is difficult to discern. But it appears that you have made up your mind. A read of the books/websites suggested would be of better benefit than an argument on the internet without having looked at the available information.
 
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