Condoms vs. NFP- A little help here please

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So I’m new to this…
I’ve made it my new project to really understand why the Church says what it says. But this whole condom thing, NFP and you can use a perforated condom for a sperm count has me very, very confused. I’m not even married at this point so I realize this is looking WAY ahead- but I’m still trying to figure this one out.

If a husband and wife want children some day but preferaby not right now, and they are using NFP, but the wife has health conditions that make her fertility iffy (eg polycystic ovary syndrome), can they use a “perforated condom” to help keep the chances of pregnancy lower. It is still allowing for the possiblity of life… isn’t it?

Any thoughts?

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In short NO.

The marriage act is intended to stay FULLY open to life.

Simply by articificially impeding (even partially) the chnaces of conception you are impeding the openess to life.

It is not different than using the Pill, an IUD, or any other form of birth control…they all are not 100% effective. The only differenece in a perforated condom is the fact that the condoms effectiveness rate drops…but it is still an attempt at birth control.

Without being too graphic one would think that a perforated condom would become a shredded piece of latex after the first few moments of the marriage act.
 
Ok- see I’m not seeing it being evil on the same level as the pill, IUDs, Depo or anything like that. Those all have abortifacient qualities. (See, I’ve been doing my research. 😃 ) I have read and heard it said that it is terribly immoral to masturbate and that under no circumstance is it ever acceptable, even to provide a specimen for a sperm count to determine fertility. I have also read and heard it said that it is a terrible and horrible thing to use any kind of contraception, including condoms, except in the case of providing a specimen for a sperm count to determine fertility and then its ok to use a perforated condom. So the train of logic that I’m following has lead me to wonder:
It is never ok to masturbate therefore it doesn’t ever matter the reason behind it; one should never ever do it. It is ok to use a perforated condom to get a sperm count. Using the same logic as the case of masturbation, it should be ok to use a perforated condom in any situation.

And if a perforated condom wouldn’t survive the marriage act, how is it people use that to provide laboratories with a specimen to begin with?

And the next question, I swear my intent is not to split hairs on this one, but how perforated is perforated?

I’m so confused. I’m genuinely trying to understand this and see that this isn’t a case of a sliding scale of openness to life that determines the morality of sexual intimacy within marriage.
 
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If a husband and wife want children some day but preferaby not right now, and they are using NFP, but the wife has health conditions that make her fertility iffy (eg polycystic ovary syndrome), can they use a “perforated condom” to help keep the chances of pregnancy lower. It is still allowing for the possiblity of life… isn’t it?
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PCOS does not make a woman’s fertility “iffy”. In fact, there isn’t a situation where a woman cannot determine her fertility. Check out some information on FertilityCare (Creighton) and speak with a FertilityCare Practitioner. (You can PM me if you want about specifics.)

A perforated condom does allow for sperm penetration, leaving the act open to life. These are used in couples when it is beneficial to check the man’s sperm count/quality. While it does lower the amount that is deposited, it really won’t decrease the fertility of the act. If the woman is fertile at that time, this couple will still have a high likelihood of achieving a pregnancy.

I commend you for looking ahead. If possible, you could attend an Introductory Session for FertilityCare to get a better understanding of these things. If you are concerned about some of these issues, the earlier you start the less concerned you will be about it when you do get married. Also, through this type of charting, there are physicians throughout the country you can help treat the causes of these issues (including PCO).

(While all methods of NFP are highly effective in achieving and avoiding pregnancies, I strongly recommend Creighton is situations where cycles are far from regular. Fertility is determined on a day-by-day basis and not on past cycles.)
 
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(While all methods of NFP are highly effective in achieving and avoiding pregnancies, I strongly recommend Creighton is situations where cycles are far from regular. Fertility is determined on a day-by-day basis and not on past cycles.)

We use the sympto-thermal method and only a few rules are based on past cycles and those rules have to do with extending “safe” days, with the knowledge that using those days could result in pregnancy. Use of past cycles as a basis for a current cycle is not the way you are taught this method. You record a day at a time and look for temp shift, dry days and cervix change to cross check each other. I think Billings is the same way (but mucus only), a day at a time…just fyi
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Why would you want to use a perforated condom to help bring the chances of pregnancy lower while using NFP? It’s already 99% reliable, and that’s better than contraception!
 
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