Confession Concern

[Bookcat]

PS (to be taken together with the above): If one knows that one did Y occasionally but do not know the number…one can just say perhaps “I have done Y occasionally …but I do not know more exact than that”…or one could perhaps say if it was numerous … “I have done Y numerously …but I do not know more exact than that” (occasionally would similar to “a few” and numerously similar to many…there are various ways one can put it…one is to give number… for mortal sins…but there is are various terms one could use to say the approximation when one needs to do so…)

Remember …sometimes all one can say is

“a few times”…“several times”…“many times” … “alot” …etc

 

[wworld]

Okay this makes sense. However, why didn’t the priest stop me and ask if that wasn’t enough for him?

 

[Bookcat]

Okay this makes sense. However, why didn’t the priest stop me and ask if that wasn’t enough for him?

It is difficult to say…not being there Perhaps you said it in a way that was within reason…at least in the way the priest heard it… (though now you realize it was more than what you said…)

Since your not per se saying all that was said in the confessional you did write down your conversation as it took place …

But various things can enter in here…

Priests vary…just as other persons. As well as days vary…he could be very tired…up all night with a dying person…etc

Even seminary formation can very…at certain points some were not so good in the past due to cultural crisis etc…and of course just like anything in life…some people are better at certain things than others…and some need reminding (as the Church actually does…issuing documents about liturgical abuse and even problems in confession etc…)
I had the occasion to speak with an Opus Dei Priest …who just wrote a guide book for confessors…to help priests live their vocation in this area…we discussed some of the various areas where things can fall short…and the need for integral confessions etc…in his book he even suggests perhaps drinking some coffee before …at least one Bishop bought the book for all his Priests ( I wonder if he got them some nice coffee too…)

But we will give him the benefit of the doubt (as we should).

Of course it is our responsibility to confess…it is confession not interrogation …hee hee…
but again…one should not scruple…especially those who are scrupulous…they should address things with their confessor…for they can tend to worry and doubt where there is no need!

(though a Priest should step in if something is too vague etc…ask questions etc…but like I said many variables can cause them to miss something…)

 

[wworld]

Sorry (well, not really, or else I wouldn’t have done it ) to bring up this old topic, but I didn’t feel this question needed a whole topic for itself.

I went to confession to reconfess. But since I didn’t explicitley tell a number of times I committed a sin at the first confession, did that make the confession unintenionally invalid? and thus I’d be called to confess all my sins from the first confession at the confession I just went to (I only confessed the one that I didn’t give a number of times I committed.) ? I

know confession is supposed to be helpful and relieving, and it is! But this whole episode just seems to be leading to more and more doubt of myself.

P.S. when I say “first” confession in this topic, I don’t mean my first confession. More like the first confession in the time of this topic.

 

[EmeraldWings]

Sorry (well, not really, or else I wouldn’t have done it ) to bring up this old topic, but I didn’t feel this question needed a whole topic for itself.

I went to confession to reconfess. But since I didn’t explicitley tell a number of times I committed a sin at the first confession, did that make the confession unintenionally invalid? and thus I’d be called to confess all my sins from the first confession at the confession I just went to (I only confessed the one that I didn’t give a number of times I committed.) ? I

know confession is supposed to be helpful and relieving, and it is! But this whole episode just seems to be leading to more and more doubt of myself.

P.S. when I say “first” confession in this topic, I don’t mean my first confession. More like the first confession in the time of this topic.

are you asking if you need to confess all the sins from your last confession because you did not mention the number of times for committing one of your sins?
the answer is no, you do not need to re-confess all of your sins, you only need to tell your priest what you forgot,
the confession was not invalid the first time around, especially when you intended to make a good and sincere confession, you did not omit the number of sins on purpose, and you only needed to mention your forgetfulness in your next regular confession,
the only thing that would make your confession invalid is if you omitted something on purpose, or purposefully intended not to confess something serious that you forgot,

i think the best thing you can do about this is just talk to your priest about it, or your spiritual director if you have one.

 

[teachccd]

While it is required to confess all mortal sins by kind and number, I think that you are looking at this too legalistc and losing the spirit of the law. If one commits a mortal sin it is at that time that they are separated from God and if one were to die in that state they would have chosen eternal hell. Whether or not you commit that sin 15 times you are still separated from God from the inital choice and action. So, the number comes into play for the priest to establish whether this was a one time occurrence or a habitual act. There is a difference if someone looked at pornography once in six months or several times each day, It doesn’t change the condition of the mortal sin but it is indicative of the person’s ability to rid themself of this evil. One time in six months can let the priest know that this was a slip up and can be more easily avoided in the future. Multiple times a day indicates an addiction and would need further pastoral considerations.

So, don’t get so hung up on whether or not you said 6 or 7 times but focus more on whether or not this is an ongoing struggle or a one time weakness that is easy to overcome. In closing, mention your sin in kind and a number that best represents your failures and do not concentrate on exact numbers. That is not the point… I hope this helps… God bless you…teachccd

 

[edowitz1]

Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618, 964, 968, 970]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass [1323, 1382] - Roman Catholicism
The Sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473]. - Roman Catholicism
Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood. (Revelation 1:5).

The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly in revelation. [66, 88, 2035, 2051]. - Roman Catholicism
No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

 

[teachccd]

Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14)…

The New Testament has 27 books in it… Roman Catholicism

(…) No where in Scripture

What is this post doing here? Your demonstration of taking Scripture out of context is profoundly demonstrated here BUT you are derailing this thread. You do well to find out where you got that Bible that you are hitting over our Catholic heads.

Now, get back on topic… teachccd

 

[wworld]

are you asking if you need to confess all the sins from your last confession because you did not mention the number of times for committing one of your sins?
the answer is no, you do not need to re-confess all of your sins, you only need to tell your priest what you forgot,
the confession was not invalid the first time around, especially when you intended to make a good and sincere confession, you did not omit the number of sins on purpose, and you only needed to mention your forgetfulness in your next regular confession,
the only thing that would make your confession invalid is if you omitted something on purpose, or purposefully intended not to confess something serious that you forgot,

i think the best thing you can do about this is just talk to your priest about it, or your spiritual director if you have one.

Wait, again :|. Is it invalid if you omit a venial sin on purpose?

 

[EmeraldWings]

Wait, again :|. Is it invalid if you omit a venial sin on purpose?

No, because you are not required to confess venial sins, only encouraged.