Confirm me Please Did Jewish or Christian Person Kill Prophet Muhammad PBUH by Poison.

[RCWarrior821]

Good Question. I do not know why. Only i know from last holy book that he is not crucified nor killed. Thats why everywhere in the Quran mentions Allah is all knowingly. I saw Passion of the Christ and other movies about Jesus but not sure if its right.

Well I’ll tell you why…Because He said He was God…
This is not something that is just in scripture but also in history…
We know from history that Jesus was tried under pontius pilate and was crucified died and was buried…The fact that you deny that Christ claimed to be God is unsound…You have no evidence to back it up…however Christians have the bible (the Old Testament which tells of the coming of Christ and the New Testament which tells Hi stories and much more) and we have history books.

Also how can you deny the trinity…when there is proof and hints of it in the Old Testament?
History shows us that Christ was crucified and then worshipped as God. We know about Jesus in history from the writings of:
Josephus (37-96 AD)
Talmud (70-200 AD)
Roman sources
Tacitus (55-115 AD)
Pliny the Younger: Letter to Emperor Trajan (112 AD)

AND we know of Christ through:

The New Testament (50-100 AD)
Writings of the Church Fathers many of whom were close to the apostles
Ex: Saint Clement (96 AD), St. Ignatius (107 AD)

There is too much evidence of Christ’s claim to be God to deny.
What is your evidence against Him?

 

[RCWarrior821]

.if i told you to read Mark-10:17-18 and Mark-12:28-29.

well read this

catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Christ.asp

if those verse prove Jesus didn’t believe He was God and the one’s i gave you prove He thought He was…then there is a contradiction in the Bible.

So how do we know how to interpret…well i think it best to ask someone in the Church Christ established to interpret for us cause that is one of the reasons Christ established it

 

[AgnosTheist]

I think it’s the evil Jooz.

NO!

I think it’s the evil Juice!

 

[snhs]

Good Question. I do not know why. Only i know from last holy book that he is not crucified nor killed. Thats why everywhere in the Quran mentions Allah is all knowingly. I saw Passion of the Christ and other movies about Jesus but not sure if its right.

Can I recommend this site to you. Particularly in the section Books about Islam 9 - They Crucified him not, they Killed him not with Certainty. They’re free and available in English or Arabic whichever you’re most comfortable reading.

I don’t think Fr Zakaria is actually a Catholic but apparently he’s been terrorising Islamic scholars across the middle East. Not with attacks but by using the Qu’ran and teachings of the Islamic scholars to defeat many of the criticisms levelled against Christianity, in addition to many of the ideas which mainstream Muslims accept without question. They can’t actually answer him without saying a lot of respected Muslim scholars were wrong and when they try to they are often humiliated, hence most now avoid debates with him completely.

As regards your initial question, one of the things Fr Zakaria highlights is that the Qu’ran is in effect written in two stages separated by the area in which he was living. The first is all about peace and love, the acceptable face of Islam, while the second, when Islam had grown in numbers and was now a reasonably strong power in the region, has much of the violent content which extremists hold to today. Given that backdrop where they are effectively told to use violence to get what they want I think it is far more likely that he either died of natural causes or was killed by one of his own followers who are more likely to have had the chance to set such an attempt up.

 

[inJESUS]

thank you for the link . Fr. Zakaria is well known in the middle east…

 

[Catholic_Dude]

NO!

I think it’s the evil Juice!

CORRECTION: the ebil Juice!

 

[Catholic_Dude]

So was he poisoned OR did he ascend to Heaven at the dome of the Rock? I never heard of this poisoned or even death of him.

 

[5pintLutheran]

Good question my friend. I am born in a Muslim Family. And Muslims believes in All prophets which is in numbered 124000 in hadith(saying of prophet muhammad pbuh). I am very much familiar with Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh. They both are Prophets and Messengers and i believed in there Holy Book. Well Quran comes for whole humanity and whole world. Whereas, Talmud(Torah) and Gospel(Injeel) came for Israelist. So in Quran it mentions that both holy books are being in the wrong hands and they were got changed which is mentioned in Quran and i read it in there. So there is no way to look for it because i will find nothing in those book accept problem 50/50 chance. I donot know which one verses is right or wrong.And i am sure you will also go against with it verses. if i told you to read Mark-10:17-18 and Mark-12:28-29. In one point i figure it out by knowledge that what religion i am is the truth rather than i blindly accept what my father religion is.Astagfirullah for saying that. Quran say so about Jesus pbuh and you think by divine God I thought that divine means Godness. So Muslims donot think that jesus pbuh is God or Son of God. I am proud that I born in Muslim househood. You go east west north south you will find same divine Quran. Word to Word same. Muslims believe that Jesus and Imam mahdi will come before doomsday happened. Muslims believe on bible and torah that its from Allah/God. and Muslims believes that Prophet Muhammad pbuh last prophet from God and Prophethood will end here.

If Muslims believe God’s word given to Moses, Jesus and others was fundamentally corrupted later, how do Muslims know whether the Qur’an or the Bible was corrupted?

At least 15 papyrii up through 200 A.D. show the New Testament’s reliability. For example, these contain 82% of the 2,029 verses in the gospels of Luke and John. Second, many early writers referred to verses in the Bible. Prior to 200 A.D. over 97% of verses in the gospels are mentioned. There are manuscript variations, but none alter Christian doctrine. For the Old Testament we have the Dead Sea scrolls from the time of Jesus.

In contrast, many Muslims think the Qur’an today is word-for-word the original, because they do not know that Bukhari Hadith 4:69; 6:509 says some parts of the Qur’an were lost (not abrogated). Ubai’s early copies of the Qur’an did not contain two Suras in the Qur’an today. Sahih Muslim 2:2286 gives part of a Sura that was lost. Finally, the Qur’an of Sunni Muslims is based on the ibn Masud codex, which differs from ‘Uthman’s version in 150 places in Sura 2 alone, including complete sentences.(3)

Finding the truth of God is the most important thing we can do. Do you believe that God preserves His truth on earth as Isaiah 59:21 says? If so, either God was untruthful between the time of Jesus and the Qur’an, or else the Qur’an, which contradicts the truth of the preserved Bible, is a fraud. It cannot be both:coffeeread:

 

[deb1]

So was he poisoned OR did he ascend to Heaven at the dome of the Rock? I never heard of this poisoned or even death of him.

It might help some of us who are more ignorant about Muslim believes for Muslim posters to give us the back story to questions like these.

To the Op: I am guessing that you are asking this question on a Catholic forum because you assume that Catholics are taught about the death of your founder. Honestly, most of us don’t know a lot about your religion except what we hear on the news.

 

[PaulDupre]

I am very much familiar with Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh. They both are Prophets and Messengers and i believed in there Holy Book. Well Quran comes for whole humanity and whole world. Whereas, Talmud(Torah) and Gospel(Injeel) came for Israelist.

If that is true, then why is it that after all these centuries, Muslims tell us that the Quran must be read in Arabic, and that its message cannot be appreciated in any other language? Do Muslims expect the whole world to speak and read Arabic? Yes, I think they hope to force us to do so after they conquer and enslave us.

The bible, OTOH, works in any language and in every culture.

Paul

 

[PaulDupre]

Can any Muslim here in this thread tell me about who gave our beloved Prophet poison.Whats his name and did he belong to jewish or christian faith.Coz i heard it so.

I always thought it was his wife, Aisha. Lord knows she had motive, means and opportunity.

 

[LaMar]

Hey Paul,

I can definitely see and appreciate your point. Language (like other cultural artifacts) has the potential for chauvinism. I lived in Quebec for a while, and I saw it all firsthand.

As I’ve studied Islam, I’ve also seen the merits of keeping the underlying meaning of a religious text as close as possible to the original. Translating anything from one language to another is at best a compromise.

I certainly hope that no Muslim is so silly as to believe he can teach me Arabic. I spent years studying it to no avail, so that’ll surely be an exercise in futility.

Take Care,

LaMar

If that is true, then why is it that after all these centuries, Muslims tell us that the Quran must be read in Arabic, and that its message cannot be appreciated in any other language? Do Muslims expect the whole world to speak and read Arabic? Yes, I think they hope to force us to do so after they conquer and enslave us.

The bible, OTOH, works in any language and in every culture.

Paul

 

[Kadaveri]

Yes indeed, the Jewish are accused of poisoning our Islamic prophet, here are three Hadiths proving that:
(Muslim#4060), (Bukhari#5332).
The above two Hadiths prove that the Jewish in Khiber city had poisoned him through the food, and when prophet Muhammad asked them why they did that, they told him if you are a true prophet then you would not die, else you would die.

Later on when Muhammad was dying, he told his wife that he is dying because of the marks of the poison which was in the food he ate in Khiber city by the Jewish:
(Bukhari#4472).

Actually, we Muslims don’t like to talk about that much, because it proves somehow that the Jewish theory is true.

I think you should read that Hadith more carefully, as that’s not what he said at all. He said that the pain felt *as if *his heart was being cut off from that poison, not that it actually was (again, this incident happened years before Muhammad died).

And anyway, even if Muhammad was poisoned by a Jew, how would that prove he wasn’t a true Prophet? Many Prophets were killed.

So was he poisoned OR did he ascend to Heaven at the dome of the Rock? I never heard of this poisoned or even death of him.

This is a common misunderstanding. When Muslims say that Muhammad ascended to Heaven at the site of the Dome of the Rock we’re talking about an event called the Isra and Miraj.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

This is a common misunderstanding. When Muslims say that Muhammad ascended to Heaven at the site of the Dome of the Rock we’re talking about an event called the Isra and Miraj.

I read that link, now let me get this right, the “ascension” was when Mohammed road a flying horse from Mecca to the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. From there he gets back on the horse and flies up to Heaven to talk with the prophets of the past. He then returns to Mecca (all in one night) but they call the story absurd. The link does not say how he proved the story.

The link notes that there was not even a Mosque in Jerusalem when Mohamed was alive and one was only built after they conquered the area, built one, and named it the mosque Mohamed visited.

This is very interesting information I learned here, so it turns out he actually died on earth and was buried at a major shrine. This is very different from Jesus who not only was Resurrected from the dead, He ascended into Heaven. I dont know about others, but this really gives me a new appreciation for the Resurrection and Ascension I never had until now.

 

[Sam_777]

I think you should read that Hadith more carefully, as that’s not what he said at all. He said that the pain felt *as if *his heart was being cut off from that poison, not that it actually was (again, this incident happened years before Muhammad died).

Well, I was telling the general meaning of the Hadith, I wasn’t translating it word by word, if someone wants an accurate translation then he should print that in Arabic and give it to an authorized non-religious translator.

And anyway, even if Muhammad was poisoned by a Jew, how would that prove he wasn’t a true Prophet? Many Prophets were killed.

I agree with you, but why Muhammad said that before he dies, why he mentioned the poison!, anyway, I don’t consider that very important if he had been killed or not, I was showing the Hadiths to “tomshaikh” per his request.