Confused about Purgatory.

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catholictiger said:
sorry i worded that last one strangly I meant to say it would end their time in purgatory

mia culpa
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the best way to release souls from purgatory is to have a mass said for them, that’s the #1 way, 2nd is the Rosary.
 
LexusGs350 said:
purgatory is a place of punishment people go to who died in a state of grace and did not finish making up for their sins.

if there was no purgatory 99% of people would go to hell, not that many people die in a state of perfection

after we go to confession we are in a state of grace, if we commit a mortal sin, we go to hell if we die, if we didn’t repent

everytime we sin we put a nail in the wall, when we go to confession the priest removes that nail but the hole is still there, we have to make up for our sins, the best way to make up for your sins is the Rosary, Divine Mercy prayer and good works,

also have masses said for yourself and for the souls in purgatory, and always remember the souls in purgatory when you pray, they need help more then anyone, purgatory is basically hell with a time limit, always pray for the suffering souls

God Bless
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“Punishment, Hell?” These terms describe the enemies of God, not His friends! :confused:
 
Where would you find something indicating a time limit for purgatory? Ive heard 1000 years and ive heard thousands of years.
 
6fatboy6 said:
Where would you find something indicating a time limit for purgatory? Ive heard 1000 years and ive heard thousands of years.
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time may not be an issue up there, it is possible that time is experienced differently in purgatory

this is all speculative though.
 
catholictiger said:
time may not be an issue up there, it is possible that time is experienced differently in purgatory

this is all speculative though.
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to continue in that line of thinking It would seem proper that a soul just entering a state of purgation be more attached to time as experienced before death. As the soul is purged the experience of time could change maybe?
 
Benadam said:
to continue in that line of thinking It would seem proper that a soul just entering a state of purgation be more attached to the experience of time before death. As the soul is purged the experience of time could change maybe?
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i don’t know haven’t really thought about how would time be different or the same in purgatory.

I have heard though that purgatory is kidna like a fire but it is a cleansing fire and you can see on everyones face that there is a joy on their face because they know they are on their way to heaven. I think it was just a Facebook thing so it could be all wrong lol.
 
catholictiger said:
i don’t know haven’t really thought about how would time be different or the same in purgatory.

I have heard though that purgatory is kidna like a fire but it is a cleansing fire and you can see on everyones face that there is a joy on their face because they know they are on their way to heaven. I think it was just a Facebook thing so it could be all wrong lol.
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IIf I make it into purgatory I know I’ll be pretty happy about that.👍
 
Benadam said:
IIf I make it into purgatory I know I’ll be pretty happy about that.👍
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i would be as well, even if the pain of purgatory would be unbearable, the knowledge that I was on a path to heaven would allow me to endure it, even though I wouldn’t have a choice LOL.

btw I rather just be a martyr and go straight to heaven LOL 😉
 
Fragile said:
“Punishment, Hell?” These terms describe the enemies of God, not His friends! :confused:
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God LOVES the suffering souls in purgatory, but only people on earth can release them from their sins, God is a Just God,

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, “be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.” We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I like this passage to support purgatory, as does Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict). From his book Introduction to Christianity, he writes:If [Purgatory] is understood in a properly Christian way when it is grasped christologically, in terms of the Lord himself as the judging fire which transforms us and conforms us to his own glorified body, then we shall come to a very different conclusion [than theologian Gnilka who denied a purgatorial interpretation of 1 Cor. 3:10-15]. Does not the real Christianizing of the early Jewish notion of a purging fire lie precisely in the insight that the purification involved does not happen through some thing, but through the transforming power of the Lord himself, whose burning flame cuts free our closed-off heart, melting it, and pouring it into a new mold to make it fit for the living organism of his body?So you see how the transforming power is encounter with Christ himself, or as you said, grace itself. Also, Ratzinger refers to the “loss” of the closed-off heart. Our impurities are removed. The whole imagery of melting and pouring into a new mold is based on the language of the text. In 1 Corinthians 3, the precious metals are contrasted with wood/hay/straw - the things that burn up. This imagery is a reference to the ancient process of “smelting” in which precious metals were purified by fire of junk particles. You see references to this process in the Old Testament (eg. Ps 12:6, Is 48:10, Ez 22:22).

Getting back to Ratzinger:The essential Christian understanding of Purgatory has now become clear. Purgatory is not, as Tertullian thought, some kind of supra-worldly concentration camp where man is forced to undergo punishment in a more or less arbitrary fasion. Rather* it is the inwardly necessary process of transformation in which a person becomes capable of Christ, capable of God and thus capable of unity with the whole communion of saints***.That help? :o
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A correction to my above Ratzinger quotations - they are actually from the book Eschatology page 229ff (not Introduction to Christianity).
 
Lexus -

purgatory is hell with a time limit

Where does the church teach this? Hell is the absence of God, purgatory while a state of purification is not. I’ve also heard that we may prefer being in purgatory than on earth as we are closer to God. Pergatory is on the way “up” not on the way “down”. :coffeeread:
 
Against_Heresy said:
My present understanding on purgatory is that:

When someone goes to purgatory, the soul is purified by the grace which is giving due to Christ’s sacrifice upon the cross. Am I right so far?

In 1 Corinthians 3:15 it says “If any man’s work burn, he shall SUFFER LOSS; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” Paul is speaking of purgatory here and when he says “suffer loss” what does he mean?

Thank you.
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Actually, Paul isn’t speaking about Purgatory in this verse. He’s talking about the Bema Seat Judgement of Christ.
 
Chuck_Finley said:
Actually, Paul isn’t speaking about Purgatory in this verse. He’s talking about the Bema Seat Judgement of Christ.
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The early church Fathers describe this verse when teaching on purgatory. Curious though, what is your source(s) for saying its Berma seat?
 
Chuck_Finley said:
Actually, Paul isn’t speaking about Purgatory in this verse. He’s talking about the Bema Seat Judgement of Christ.
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It’s better to look at 1 Corinthians 3:11 - 15 to get a better picture of how St. Paul speaks to purgatory. Our works ARE tested by fire and IF a mans foundation survives he will receive a reward. Man can enter heaven immediately after death or enter through the fire of purgatory as you can not suffer loss in heaven.

The scripture above is supported by James, “we are saved by works, not by faith alone.” 😛

“For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw --* each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.* If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.* If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
 
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