The point is he wasn’t saying Mass - simply explaining it and reviewing with them the texts and rubrics.I have a question concerning the homily by Fr. Serpa today at the EWTN Mass. He related how he took a group of adults studying to become Catholics into the sanctuary and went through the Mass. After he said the words of the consecration, he stated that no consecration had taken place because he did not have the intention.
Should every Mass have a consecration?
Thank you, Joel Fago
It does not occur.If every Mass has a Consecration, what about a Mass in which the priest does not have the “intention?”
?? I don’t think you said that right.I agree. If a priest does have the “intention,” it does not occur.
Don’t you agree if a priest “wasn’t saying Mass - simply explaining it,” it does not make any difference whether he had the “intention” or not?
"I agree. If a priest does have the “intention,” it does not occur. "Don’t you agree if a priest “wasn’t saying Mass - simply explaining it,” it does not make any difference whether he had the “intention” or not?
?? I don’t think you said that right.
How would you say it?
Doesn’t “intention” refer to the validity of the Consecration?
My understanding is that consecration does occur when valid form, matter, and intent are present, even if the circumstances (outside a mass) are illicit.Therefore, Fr. Serpa should have said that no Consecration occurred because it was outside of Mass, instead of that he did not have the intention.
That is my understanding and my (amature) reading of Canon Law as wellMy understanding is that consecration does occur when valid form, matter, and intent are present, even if the circumstances (outside a mass) are illicit.
teeCan. 927 It is absolutely wrong, even in urgent and extreme necessity, to consecrate one element without the other, or even to consecrate both outside the eucharistic celebration.
he explained in detail that he was not celebrating Mass, but that he was going through in order the prayers and actions of the Mass for their instruction. yes every Mass must have a consecration or it is not a Mass. I hope you taped the show so you can watch it again, you will see that he clearly and properly explained the situation.I have a question concerning the homily by Fr. Serpa today at the EWTN Mass. He related how he took a group of adults studying to become Catholics into the sanctuary and went through the Mass. After he said the words of the consecration, he stated that no consecration had taken place because he did not have the intention.
Should every Mass have a consecration?
Thank you, Joel Fago
NB that Canon 927 does not say it is “wrong … to attempt to consecrate” outside the eucharstic celebration – It says it is wrong to do so.Quote:
Can. 927 It is absolutely wrong, even in urgent and extreme necessity, to consecrate one element without the other, or even to consecrate both outside the eucharistic celebration.
In the “General Instruction of the Roman Missal, C. Liturgy of the Eucharist,” No. 48, 2., “In the eucharistic prayer…the gifts of bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.” Can. 918 states, "The Eucharistic prayer may never be said in Comunion services outside Mass.
Therefore, doesn’t it stand to reason that Consecration takes place only during the Eucharistic prayer which is said during Mass?
Which begs the question, how do we know if the priest’s intention is correct at Mass? How do we know we’ve been at Mass for absolute certainty?It does not occur.