"Conservation of Matter" = Heresy?

[Drawmack]

I included wikipedia as a source just because it is easier to read. And yes I know what the sites are getting into.

Well what I was trying to say is that although conservation of mass applies in Newtonian physics, the formation of the universe is explained though quantum physics in ways Newton’s physics can’t. Specifically, since CP violation occured in the formation of the universe, then Newtonian physics cannot be singularly applied. I really don’t know what you mean by standard physics, but if you were referring to universe formation as I was, Newtonian laws like conservation of matter are not necessarily applicable.

To make a small correction to your statement: quantum branches of physics do not obey the laws of Newtonian physics.

Thank you for the correct, I’m not a physicist and couldn’t remember the name of the type of physics so I used the monacher standard. In the future I will remember it is Newtonian.

I understand and agree with what you’re saying here. However, I think this has very little to do with the conversation at hand. And, if it has anything to do with the conversation it actually supports me. We are discussing whether or not God willfully, directly, and intentionally controls each and every particle. (We kind of took a tangent from the original topic but since none of the participants have minded the mods let it go)

I am saying that God willfully, directly, and intentionally interacted to create the material and the laws which govern it. But that his will operates in a more passive manner today to simply allow the rules to be obeyed. So going into how physics was different during the creation actually supports this – I think.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Not really. Using the rule to become indirect is using a rule to become hands-off so to speak. I’m saying his will is there and ever present. What he actively wills if for the rule, or law, to govern matter. Then matter operates according to the law because God does not will it should stop.

God is all powerful right? So, if God looks at, all, matter and says alright you will exert a force on all other matter in proportion to the number of protons in you. Then all matter will behave this way. God will not have to willfully push particles together to create gravity. He can operate passively by just willing that this law he created stays in existence.

Kind of like, if there is a task on the computer which I do manually. I directly interact with and control the computer to complete this task. Then, one day, I write a program to complete this task. Now, I no longer directly interact with the computer to complete the task but indirectly through the program I wrote.

Well… not sure about that but…

Dwelling on the idea of free will that you brought up, it seems that at least one thing can do something “on its own” - our soul can change from a state of undecided to a state of decided by making a choice. So that’s proof that at least one type of thing other than God can do at least one type of thing “on their own” - so I guess your theory that matter obeys laws of physics “on their own” must be possible.

Thanks for helping me understand!

Sincerely,
Neil

 

[Drawmack]

Well… not sure about that but…

Dwelling on the idea of free will that you brought up, it seems that at least one thing can do something “on its own” - our soul can change from a state of undecided to a state of decided by making a choice. So that’s proof that at least one type of thing other than God can do at least one type of thing “on their own” - so I guess your theory that matter obeys laws of physics “on their own” must be possible.

Thanks for helping me understand!

Sincerely,
Neil

Not a problem Niel, thank you for being a reasonable debater.