Contraception dilemma

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Mes you are very incorrect.

Sexual pleasure, to its completion, outside of intercourse, is a serious sin whether in a marriage or not. Sexual involvement must end in intercourse.
“Marital relations” Means sexual intercourse.

PLEASE study theology of the body. You will understand it so much more.

Also, cycles can change every month. Stress can delay ovulation. Please make sure you learn it accurately.

Just because condoms fail does not mean you are “open to kids”. The two are contradictory.

The fact that condoms fail is a reason against them, not for them. If they fail, why not use NFP? Its more reliable.

NFP takes actual self-control and sacrifice. It does NOT harm the soul.

When not completing the act in intercourse, it is inverted on the self, instead of self giving.

PLease study theo of the body. Marriage is an icon of the heavenly marriage. The love between Christ and His church. You can’t put a condom on that.
 
mesl4 said:
Doesn’t NFP do that? We are seeking to isolate sex for pleasure and not for procreation. We’d specifically be avoiding procreation.
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No, NFP does not do that.

Each act of intercourse is properly ordered to unity and procreation. The body is naturally infertile. The couple perform the marriage act as God created it. There is no egg there when the sperm reaches the fallopian tube. The couple did nothing.
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It sounds like the ONLY acceptable time for sex than would be during fertile times - unless you didn’t know when you were fertile and just had sex whenever. But, knowing when you’re fertile/infertile, and specifically choosing sex on infertile days only, you are doing it just for pleasure which apparently is lust/disorded.
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Sexual expression is disordered when “isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”

If the act is completed without alteration, it is not isolated from its unitive and procreative purposes.
 
mesl4 said:
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Is that how the Church defines it? The dictionary just says it means pertaining to the marriage/nuclear family, or joined/yoked. Doesn’t have to mean sex. So I’d interepret the above quote to mean sexuality is ordered to take place only between the marriage bonds and in love.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjugal
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Yes, it does.
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1218
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read it.

Plus read the Catechism about the Fecundity of Marriage
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2366

In fact back up and read that whole section starting at 2331 it spells out the teaching on marriage sexuality pretty well.
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I understand your confusion. I am also a convert and never thought I would adhere to the RCCs contraception line but miraculously, I’ve found the truth!! My advice is to pray on it, pray, pray and pray some more! God will lead you in the right direction. Just pray for guidance…pray for a clear mind and to find your true conscience in the matter. He will speak to you in His own way.

I “highly” reccommend reading “Life-Giving Love” by Kimberly Hahn. She is also a convert and has some reader friendly, solid, biblically based insights into contraception and marriage. It’s a “wonderful” book…I’d go so far as to saying that it should be mandatory Pre-Cana reading.

God Bless you as you seek the truth!🙂
 
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