Controversial Study on Gay Families

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NE_Catholic said:
As I have stated in previus threads, people would change their minds about gay marriage, gay adoption, etc. if they only knew it’s effects personally. Not, “I know a gay guy at work who got married” or “there’s a kid at school with two moms”. No, actually knowing and befriending gays in these situations. I’m not saying all gay couples are terrible parents or no gay couple should have children. I am saying that it is not normal. Some gay families make the adjustment and do well. But most don’t.

Flame away.
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How DARE you imply that people should actually reach out to and become friends with homosexual persons! 😉
 
Actually, the more homosexual and bisexual people that I meet, the more I come to be in favor of it. I used to be completely opposed.

That said, ya’ll are absolutely obsessed with homosexuality, every other thread on this board is on that topic in some way.
 
PaulinVA said:
Yes, but if it’s a learned behavior that cuts the legs out from under the argument that “I was born this way, you have to accept me!”
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I have always found that idea ridiculous.

I am a heterosexual male, and I never made a conscious decision to find girls attractive.
I didn’t choose to be straight, that’s just what I developed into.

If you can choose your sexual orientation why don’t most women who hate men simply become lesbians?

Why wouldn’t most celibate priests simply choose not to find women (or anyone else) attractive? (it would certainly make their lives easier)
 
NE_Catholic said:
As I have stated in previus threads, people would change their minds about gay marriage, gay adoption, etc. if they only knew it’s effects personally. Not, “I know a gay guy at work who got married” or “there’s a kid at school with two moms”. No, actually knowing and befriending gays in these situations. I’m not saying all gay couples are terrible parents or no gay couple should have children. I am saying that it is not normal. Some gay families make the adjustment and do well. But most don’t.

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So, you are saying that having gay friends is more likely to make a person take a stance against gay marriage?

That seems very counter intuitive.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
This only holds true if the cause(s) of homosexuality is (are) either genetic or choice. It’s neither. A person may born with a sensitive personality, which is a factor that predisposes a person to develop same-sex attractions. As far as I know, that’s the only “born that way” factor. Every homosexual person’s history is different, but many cases are similar to mine: perceived absent father, , dominating mother and other female family figures, rejection by peers. In my case, I would add being the black sheep in the family in spite of my efforts not to be and a misunderstanding on my part with regards to sexuality, which I trace to some rather odd views I learned about the topic (women don’t enjoy sex, men use women for sex, etc.).
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I was a sensitive child and I got picked on a lot.
It made me mean, but it did not make me gay.

As for your other comments, lesbians are usually not stereotyped as being
oversensitive (much the opposite in fact).
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
I was a sensitive child and I got picked on a lot.
It made me mean, but it did not make me gay.

As for your other comments, lesbians are usually not stereotyped as being
oversensitive (much the opposite in fact).
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I agree – that was an odd connection being drawn between sensitivity and sexual orientation.

And yes, lesbians are often portrayed as male-hating feminists. Some may be, many aren’t.
 
rossum said:
I do not think that the study adds much to the argument. The impact of the study rests on the assumption that being homosexual is bad…The study has its possible impact because of the pre-existing moral debate about homosexuality. The impact of the study will be as a result of that debate rather than due to the actual contents of the study.rossum
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rossum, I fear that the article on “intergenerational transfer of sexual orientation” may be exploited by homo-tomachians. But I don’t read the author as presupposing the evilness of homosexuality. I think he is merely exploring the evidence for some influence of cultural rather than genetic transmission of sexual orientation.

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I read yesterday while I was in a chatroom that 75% of homosexual males come from families with an absent father. If this is the case, they are really looking for male approval. But they are not finding it. Homosexual behaviors shorten the lifespan more than smoking does and put people at higher risks for diseases. 43% of homosexuals have had more than 500 sexual partners, 73% of which were total stranges. Only 3% had fewer than 10 sexual partners. So 64% had >10 to <500 sexual partners. Homosexual males are 44x more likely to have HIV/AIDS compared to heterosexual males. Gay men are also at risk for certain types of cancer (i.e. rectal) that are virtually nonexistent in heterosexual males. The anus is not meant for sex.

Negative effects can also be seen in some girls and women seeking male approval. The girl in high school who keeps getting abortions, and has slept with all the jocks. She thinks sex=love, but the boys are just using her and have no interest in forming a relationship with her. Other girls do not have abortions and become mothers at 14 or 15. A friend of ours kept going bar hopping after her husband one day, without warning, decided to leave her. She kept getting pregnant and having abortions. She was looking to be loved, felt lonely. But sex was not the answer.

The human genome has been ripped apart and as far as I know, depsite their best efforts and numerous studies, there hasn’t been a gay gene found.

One of my uncles is the youngest boy and has several older brothers. According to the study, he “should” be gay, but he isn’t. However, he was also the favorite child, and the next closest sibling to him is five years his senior, so there is a big gap. Maybe the homosexual boys who were the youngest in a line of sons were treated badly by their older brothers, so they looked elsewhere to find male approval? Or maybe they never learned how to relate to girls and women, and so they just stuck to men?

A lot of lesbians end up going back to men years later. I think it’s very odd that they include a man part in their relations, and yet they say they are not attracted to men. I haven’t read many studies about lesbians, but this just seems strange. Maybe these women were abused by a male so they hate men, and those who get past it end up going back to dating men after a while?

I think both gays and lesbians could benefit from counselling (as could many other people). I don’t think they are quite right. But today’s politically correct world would rather push the problems under the rug and pretend they don’t exist, than face the problems and help people.

Children thrive best in homes with one father and one mother. Parents who are there for them in a marriage: committed, unconditional, permanent situation. Mothers tend to be one way, and fathers tend to be another. They complement each other and help children thrive better in social situations.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
I have always found that idea ridiculous.

I am a heterosexual male, and I never made a conscious decision to find girls attractive.
I didn’t choose to be straight, that’s just what I developed into.

If you can choose your sexual orientation why don’t most women who hate men simply become lesbians?

Why wouldn’t most celibate priests simply choose not to find women (or anyone else) attractive? (it would certainly make their lives easier)
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Do Bi-sexuals hae a choice? Seriously. This to me is a clear case of choosing.
 
NE_Catholic said:
Do Bi-sexuals hae a choice? Seriously. This to me is a clear case of choosing.
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Yes, I find that odd too. Most of my friends are solidly hetero- or homosexual. I just don’t understand being so ambivalent that “going both ways” is satisfying. I don’t judge them, but neither do I understand it. But there is a lot I don’t understand about life, the universe, and the meaning of everything.
 
There is also a thread on this study in one of the news sub-forums. As is pointed out there, this “study” is not really a study at all. It purports to be a meta-analysis of previously existing data, but it is entirely based on 10 books that each relate stories about kids growing up with gay parents. The study simply counted up how many gay and straight kids were mentioned in the 10 books and concluded that gay parents have more gay kids. The author of one of the “source” books admitted that she deliberatly selected more gay kids to discuss in her book because she found their stories more interesting. So the study was really just a summary of anecdotes, at least some of which were admittedly based on biased data. I don’t think it really adds anything to the nature vs nurture debate, or has anything of value to say about gay parents generally.
 
TMC said:
There is also a thread on this study in one of the news sub-forums. As is pointed out there, this “study” is not really a study at all. It purports to be a meta-analysis of previously existing data, but it is entirely based on 10 books that each relate stories about kids growing up with gay parents. The study simply counted up how many gay and straight kids were mentioned in the 10 books and concluded that gay parents have more gay kids. The author of one of the “source” books admitted that she deliberatly selected more gay kids to discuss in her book because she found their stories more interesting. So the study was really just a summary of anecdotes, at least some of which were admittedly based on biased data. I don’t think it really adds anything to the nature vs nurture debate, or has anything of value to say about gay parents generally.
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That sounds plausible.
 
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