Conversion from Mormon to Jehovah's Witness, or from Jehovah's Witness to Mormon

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Totally off topic and I will not say more on this thread about donations. It should be private between a person and God anyway. I must just have been labeled as one who would sign a pledge and once I did that was the end of anonimity. Each year it is expected. I’m sure if I put my foot down harder and told them I simply can’t afford it and it is a hardship they would stop pressuring me for more. I am not going to join Jehovah Witness or the Mormons, so I remain faithfully Catholic and a total wimp to standing up for myself, as regards donations. Enough Said about that in this thread…sorry for taking it off track.
 
Not a problem, GrandpaD. Wandering off-topic is a beloved tradition here. It helps keep things interesting. Some of these threads wouldn’t last five minutes if it wasn’t for a little change of scenery. Besides, it’s a great subject, and one which doesn’t get much discussion. When I entered the Catholic Church I kept up my tithing habit, which, after a month or so, prompted a visit from the pastor, who asked me if I was sure I wanted to write such large checks for the collection plate. Most parishes I’ve known have been poor, with father having to beg for money to fix the roof, or anything else needing to be done. The one I’m in currently is literally swimming in money. I think the main reason is that father is very conservative, and VERY Eucharistic oriented. He never asks for money, does not teach tithing, but the collections are always far more than budget. I believe there is a connection. A holy priest who sticks to his business doesn’t have to beg the parish for money. God will provide by moving people to give.
 
Sorry Paul, but you are wrong about the coercian thing. My wife is free to pay her tithing on her own if and when she chooses. She also chooses to go to tithing settlement with the Bishop and chooses to partake in the blessings that come with being a full tithe payer and following the commandments of God. I on the other hand receive a statement every month with an envelope to send in my donation to the Catholic Church, they inform me if I fall behind in my donations and send me new envelopes every few months. I am committed to pay at least $5000.00 - $6000.00 per year and have been since they came to my home requesting this amount yearly. Since I am a good Catholic I committed myself to pay, thinking it was a one time thing, but it turned out to be a yearly commitment and has been going on for 4 years now. They still do not allow me to go to confession or partake of the Eucharist because I am divorced. So I pay and do not even receive the blessings that my wife receives for paying her tithing.
I am feeling quite defensive of the LDS now after being treated this way by the Catholics, and you have nothing to defend about the Catholic Church in regards to donations. The Mormons also have many who do not pay tithing and are still good members. They are not forced, but voluntarily pay their share if they want to. No one knows which ones are full tithe payers and which ones aren’t except the person themselves. It is their free choice to pay or not. I don’t feel it is my free choice with the Catholic Church at all, they actually come to my home and coerce me to pay along with the bills they send me. I ask for an accounting and they have no accounting, but eventually send me a hand written note of what I have paid(usually wrong) and they deduct the accounting fees from the amount I have pledged.
Talk about unfair.
Sorry Grandpa, but you are completely wrong. They only send you envelopes if you sign up to have envelopes sent to you. Most parishioners in most parishes do not receive envelopes because they never signed up for them. The parish will not waste money sending envelopes to parishioners who will not use them. If you requested envelopes, then they ask you to make a commitment to pay a certain amount per week so they can budget. It can be 1 dollar or 1000 dollars - it is completely up to you. No one pressures you into anything. Also, you are asked to make a commitment every year and adjust your pledge up or down as you see fit and as your circumstances allow. I have adjusted up and I have adjusted down and never heard a word about it either way.

You get a report at the end of each quarter and at the end of the year summarizing what you paid. This is the document you should use to take the tax deduction for your donations.

If you no longer wish to receive envelopes, just call or write the parish office and tell them to stop sending the envelopes. They will stop at the end of the current quarter.

I know all this because I serve on my parish’s finance committee.

You are also wrong about why you are denied the Eucharist. No one is denied the Eucharist for getting divorced. The Church recognizes that there are often valid reasons for separation or divorce - (source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2383). The problem is that you got remarried without getting your first marriage annulled. That is adultery. That is why you are denied the Eucharist, not because you are divorced. Did you even try to rectify your marriage problem with the Church before you remarried?

BTW, I don’t believe that anyone comes to your home and “coerces” you to pledge money. Do you know what the word “coerce” means? It means to force or compel, as by threats (source: Webster’s New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition). What threats did the evil Catholics use to “coerce” you to pledge $5000 - $6000 per year?

The bible teaches that the Lord loves a cheerful giver. You don’t sound very cheerful. I suggest you start being honest and contribute only what you really want to contribute.
Paul
 
I was third generation JW and left them after 15 years of fulltime pioneer service at 34 yrs old and single. I wanted NOTHING to do with any kind of christianity when I left and went straight into witchcraft. The ony reason I did the Mormon thing for a year was because my new husband’s family had been sucked into it when he was a child and we were having marital problems and needed counseling and he metioned that we could talk to a Bishop. He was also cradle Catholic and we went to see a priest but the guy never showed up. So I got baptized as a Mormon, but we never fit in because we had no children and I just could not do the Women’s Relief Society thing being disabled. It lasted about a year, but we did meet some very nice people and we were not pressured for any money, in fact they fed us from the Bishop’s Storehouse and even got my husband a job. I used to say the LDS were ok except for the Jesus part.
Looking further in the historical paganism is what eventually brought me to the CC. JWs, LDS, Witchcraft/Neo-Paganism–it all went back less than 200 years, the CC goes back 2000 years. Can’t very well deny that!
Incidentally I see former JWs either going the way of mainstream evangelical/fundamentalism or to ‘the enemy’ (of JWs) being either paganism or Catholicism (JWs think they are the same thing-LOL)
I have seen many atheists/humanists too among former JWs. It just leaves a bad taste in most peoples’ mouths for ‘christianity’ for the first few years atleast.
Ravyn
 
One last comment I’d like to make on this subject. The Mormons denied me baptism because I refused to make a committment to tithe.
No way is that right.
I’m really glad I’m out of there. They are great people and I’ve made one friend. I don’t know how long Debbie will agree to keep being my friend but I’m not going to give up loving her and praying for her.
Johannah
 
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