Corruption in the Church

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I have been watching a documentary about the Papacy. The documentary is mostly about all the bad things the papacy has done. I feel as though up until more recent times the Vatican has been focused on power and not God. I’m not sure what to say about all of the corruption and power hungry popes/ cardinals. They have even talked about how much of the famous art in the Vatican is full of bribery and corruption.
 
St. Peter denied Christ three times and Christ still made him the leader of His Church on Earth.
 
margaret42 said:
I have a problem accepting that the Church leadership is ever wrong. Because they represent Jesus, it is like attacking Him. There’s so many out there who hate the catholic church, that will say anything
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While I’m not a fan of exposing the failings of Church leadership for the same reason, undeniably there are those who are in a position of leadership who don’t represent Jesus. Resisting this fact, I think, and not dealing with the consequences can lead to even more criticism of the Church.
 
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Is there ever a limit to what “leadership” is? Do you mean just the Vatican? Because there have been times when clergy have gone crazy. Some even killed saints (St. Joan).
 
yeah I’m not sure why this is such a large stumbling block for me. But it just seems so hard to stay Catholic when a majority of our history has been very corrupt.

For example we never we were basically against free speach and Pope Alexander VI excommunicated and burned someone who he deemed a heretic.

I want you all to understand to I’m a Catholic and my faith is very important to me. But I also think we need to talk about these things and I am trying to overcome these strumbling blocks.
 
Fair enough. 🙂 If we’re removed from personally witnessing anything ourselves, I’ll agree with you.
 
Okay you are very right there. Thanks for your replies and for everyone else. You’re greatly appreciated.
 
I think of Mt. 23:1-3 “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.”" The Pharisees, while corrupt, still had authority. The ways they lived were wrong and they didn’t give good examples, but their teachings were still correct.
 
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St. Peter denied Christ three times and Christ still made him the leader of His Church on Earth.
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Respectfully opinion only and agree in what one said, but Jesus did he not also rebuke and correct St Peter? And did Jesus not state when asking St Peter ?>Who do they say I am?
What was Jesus reply back to St Peter for he got the correct answer, attained Spiritual Knowledge did he?
Was Jesus reply?>>You did not learn that from Me, but from My Father?

Does Jesus not remind His Apostles what He spoke of before hand? No one can come onto me ,unless my Father has sent them to me?

There is a saying is there not? Success teaches us nothing, but it is our failures that brings us to success? Do we not learn from our failures and rise to a higher self within? St Peter had to experience his failures, preparing St Peter for the heavy task that will be placed before him?

St Peter now being prepared will come to understand through his own failures, personal experience, when spreading the Spoken Word of God, those who will struggle with such hearing. teaching and he will be tolerant toward those and labor hard in guiding them also into the fold of Faith and Belief in God Our Creator, will he not?

And did Jesus not also set out to correct the errors of their ways>> the Pharisees?
Saduccees?
Higher learned men of the Sanhedrin Jerusalem Court Council?
Jesus rebukes his own Temple Elders, why?
Those who also served within his Father Temple, why?
For Jesus knew all things even that which was hidden, correct?

Jesus did he not, rebuke harshly making it strongly known, that those who seek to serve God, are given the great heavy task, they will all be held responsible, accountable, for they were entrusted to uphold His Spoken Word, would this not be true?

Did Jesus not rebuke them all, boldly, harshly in no uncertain words, where Jesus comes in the flesh>> to make known, judging them and identifies the errors of their ways for all to hear, in Matthew chapter 23?

I am Holy thou art to be Holy also, is this not written?
Pondering on. Asking then are we not all called to become Holy? Was never meant for the few to make it their life long profession was it, but a call out for all?

His Spoken Word for all to hear?
The wheat grow among the tares?
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Pondering on. Are we not all called to become His disciples also in serving the Lord and spread the Good News, His Spoken Word for all to hear?
We are all Human, we all fall short of his glory, called to correct the errors of our ways for all are weaken in the flesh?

Respectfully and Loving toward never to offend, but only in seeking understanding. Peace 🙂
 
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