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<<Two things you must know about the Consecrated wine: 1) It is offered but not a mandatory requirement to drink it, and 2) it is non-alcoholic.>>

I am puzzled by your above remark, @2. The wine IS alcoholic.

On another note I mention that whether we have a drop of the Precious Blood, or a crumb of the Sacred Host, we are receiving the Risen Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

One can receive the Sacred Host alone and receive the Risen Body of our Lord.
Hi, Dorothy!

…ok, this has been brought up twice so I must be wrong… since my parish uses non-alcoholic wine I jumped to the conclusion that all of the parishes in the US used non-alcoholic wine.

Thank you for the clarification.

…still, the first point is correct, the Church does not mandate that Catholics receive both Species (Bread and Wine).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Thanks. Right now I’m in tears. Just frustrated. I know that my relationship with God is terrible. I feel so lost. So lonely. ***I want to say something to the priest at my church. ***But I don’t know what to say. Every time I try I just give up and walk away. He has a flock to care for and I’m not part of that flock, just an outsider. Just someone who doesn’t fit in.

I want to walk away from everything. And I wish God would let me.
I hope by now you’ve talked with the priest of your parish.
 
Angel: this absolutely incorrect!

Just for clarity: the physical attributes of the bread and wine in the Eucharist remain present in the Eucharist. This means that there is gluten in the Eucharistic host, and there is alcohol present in the Precious Blood.

Please, please, please don’t give this (well-meaning but extraordinarily inaccurate) advice to those who struggle with celiac disease or alcoholism!
Hi, Gorgias!

…no mention of gluten-free in my post and I thought that non-alcoholic wine contained no alcohol in it, is this not correct?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Gorgias!

…no mention of gluten-free in my post and I thought that non-alcoholic wine contained no alcohol in it, is this not correct?

Maran atha!

Angel
Some parishes use non-alcoholic, some use alcoholic and some even use a wine from some sort of raisin or something, (horrible tasting stuff btw), it is up to the priest.

Point being, you don’t have to drink in order to receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus.
 
…no mention of gluten-free in my post
I know. Just on the off-chance that someone will search later on, and find this thread, I wanted to make sure that our discussion was comprehensive.
and I thought that non-alcoholic wine contained no alcohol in it, is this not correct?
I’m concerned that what you think you’re receiving at Mass is “non-alcoholic wine” – that is, “grape juice” – is truly not non-alcoholic. On the other hand, if it really is non-alcoholic, and is what is being used at Mass, then that very well might be a non-normative practice.

Here’s the thing: the matter of the Eucharist is true bread and true grape wine.

Therefore, there are no such things as “gluten-free hosts”, and “alcohol-free sacramental wine.”

However, there are hosts that are sold that are extremely low-gluten. They have a nominal amount of gluten (less than 0.01%). And, there is mustum, which is grape juice in which fermentation has begun, but which has been stopped (resulting in less than 1% alcohol).

If someone is extraordinarily sensitive to gluten, they are best advised to avoid receiving the hosts (and should receive from the chalice, instead). For these folks, even cross-contamination (i.e., touching a regular host and then touching a low-gluten host) is problematic. Same thing goes for those who want to avoid all alcohol – they should only receive the host. From a theological perspective, receiving one species nevertheless means receiving the entirety of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. There is no ‘lack’ or ‘deficiency’ in receiving only one species.

Now, to your other point: are you certain that your parish only uses mustum (i.e., that is, that all Precious Blood distributed at Mass is mustum)? That would seem highly unlikely. Typically, the use of mustum is restricted to priest celebrants (since only they are required to consume the Precious Blood), and only in those cases in which the priest celebrant personally must abstain from alcohol (due to dietary or other causes).
 
The reason I get upset at communion is the “blood” of Christ, aka, the wine. As a person who had an alcoholic mother and was very hurt by her, I made a vow very early in my life to never drink alcoholic. And under my own power, I have never had any alcoholic drink. I don’t go to bars, or even go to parties where is it there. When I realized it was true wine, I thought I could never be Catholic. I would never drink the blood, due to the fact that it was alcoholic, and that is something that presses upon my mind each mass and RCIA sessions.
Alright, you’re making a few mistakes here. First, the wine, after transubstantiation has occurred, is not true wine (if whoever is teaching you in RCIA says differently, then they are probably malformed in the faith themselves). However, it will still have the accidents, and even the effects, or wine, so it will result in drunkenness in the same way as it will retain the taste of wine. So, if your concern is in the effect, rather than the cause, then you can still avoid it.

Second, Christ’s whole body, all his blood, his soul and his divinity are completely present under every single bit of what was originally bread and what was originally wine. That is to say, while the use of wine is likely chosen by Christ to ‘symbolize’ blood, the transubstantiation itself is profound; under both species one receives the whole Christ (body, blood, soul and divinity).

Third, there’s absolutely no reason to think that you have to celebrate Eucharist by receiving Christ under the second species as well as the first. Problem solved, it seems to me.
Another reason I struggle with RICA, is… [that] I struggle with masturbation. I have read that it is a sinful thing to do as a protestant and a Catholic. My family shuns it terribly, and I have read in the catechism that is a terrible thing to do. Why I do it, I can’t give every answer, but I believe it is because I was sexual assaulted when I was seven. I won’t go into detail about that, but it was very hard and still is to deal with. There are times when the urge to do it is strong and I give in. They are also times with I have to urge and I can conquer it, and also there are times where I dream about it, and I wake up and that area hurts. It is a terrible thing to dream about being raped and there is nothing you can do to stop it. And you wake up and hurt and feel like a disgusting pig because you were so defenseless. Knowing all that, what do I do? When I can control it and give in, that is my decision and I am at fault, but when I can’t control it in my dreams, and I wake up feeling sore, whose fault is that? Have I sinned even though I had no control? I don’t have the answers, and I wonder again if you have anything to say on this?
One’s culpability is a function of one’s ability to do otherwise, and one’s knowledge of the moral wrongness of the act (or lack thereof, in the case of sins of omission). Suppose you dreamt, every night, about murdering your family (a more extreme example); would you really be culpable for that in any relevant sense? No, because you aren’t morally free to do otherwise, nor, in the act, are you properly morally aware of the wrongness of the act. Sanctification can repair this over time (and this is the beauty of sacraments like confession and Eucharist), but this is not something which it is rational to feel guilt about. Guilt is literally misplaced, in this case.

The same principles apply to conscious masturbation; yet, even in the special case where you might not be fully culpable even here, the Church, in order to highlight the seriousness of the act (and bring people closer to Christ), requires us to bring it to Christ in confession constantly. It is our job to bring this brokenness to him, and to remain on the one hand diligent in our spiritual walk towards Christ, and on the other hand not overly scrupulous (so that our ‘moral nausea’ never paralyzes us in our spiritual journey always towards Christ).
The last thing I want to talk about is one thing I have talked about before, prayer. The more I learn about people that have decided to intensely do prayer and have committed to it, I learn that it is needed to be a fruitful Christian. Why doesn’t that make me what to pray? Because prayer puts God in control of your life, and I struggle with someone else controlling my life. Putting someone in control of your life makes me feel uneasy and fearful. You say but it is GOD!! True, if anyone can make things good, it is God, he can make the impossible possible, he is the alpha and omega, he is the king. I know these things, I also know God also allows Satan to do things. And that fear scares me terribly. Many questions for God that have gone unanswered. That causes fear. Losing my mother, losing my brother, being sexual assaulted, abuse from my mother, being kicked out of my home at 18, my self-harm, my masturbating. All questions that cause many thoughts in my head, and all have been unanswered. I am one that wants an answer for all, if I’m planning a party I want to know how much is in the bank account. I want to know the answer so I have some control over it. That “person” inside of me, that person that isn’t afraid to make decisions, that “person” that is “good” and isn’t afraid to not be in control. Where is that person
You are quite right to be afraid of God in the same way as you might be afraid of a good dentist or a good surgeon. It takes an immense amount of courage to be a saint.
 
Thanks for the respones and arugements.

I know about the alcoholic present in the blood. Which is why i asked. Also ill head over to the priest after work. Being having a lot of negitive thoughts about things. Which steamed from our last conversation. Sigh.
 
Turns out he had an appointment in a few minutes. So I didn’t “meet” with him. I know he is busy and I could call and setup an appointment, but right now, I feel so frustrated. I want him to help me, but even I think that he can’t and I would be wasting his time. I do see a therapist once a month, which doesn’t help. And I don’t have anyone else to talk to about my “serious” issues. I could just log them down online on a website, but no one here is a “trained profession” and I don’t want anyone trying to help me if they aren’t “trained” cause I’ve always been told normal people can’t handle what you have. So I don’t even know if a priest could.

I like my Father, and he is a nice person. And to me, there is something different about priest. They dress in all black and have a white collar, something protestants don’t do. just that alone makes me think there is something different about them. Even the pope is different. I just don’t know anything about priests. I’m brand new to Catholicism, and I barely know some of the catholic language you people use. And I’m not a theology or philosophic person. I’m the type that will physically build the church rather than teach about it. At this point giving up on religion seems to be the right thing, and just go on with my life. But I also know I can’t even do that, cause I never really get away. In a way, it is frustration how some people can do that and I’ve never been able to just leave. Take a break.

Sorry for the rant just feeling depressed and lonely, and very sad.
 
Some parishes use non-alcoholic, some use alcoholic and some even use a wine from some sort of raisin or something, (horrible tasting stuff btw), it is up to the priest.

Point being, you don’t have to drink in order to receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus.
Hi!

…I concur with the statement about Receiving only the Body–there’s no mandate that we must Receive both.

…thank you for the info on the various forms of wine; I think that due to the sensitivities of some people I jumped to the conclusion that the Church, in the US, opted for non-alcoholic wine… as the vernacular would have it: ‘my bad.’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I know. Just on the off-chance that someone will search later on, and find this thread, I wanted to make sure that our discussion was comprehensive.

I’m concerned that what you think you’re receiving at Mass is “non-alcoholic wine” – that is, “grape juice” – is truly not non-alcoholic. On the other hand, if it really is non-alcoholic, and is what is being used at Mass, then that very well might be a non-normative practice.

Here’s the thing: the matter of the Eucharist is true bread and true grape wine.

Therefore, there are no such things as “gluten-free hosts”, and “alcohol-free sacramental wine.”

However, there are hosts that are sold that are extremely low-gluten. They have a nominal amount of gluten (less than 0.01%). And, there is mustum, which is grape juice in which fermentation has begun, but which has been stopped (resulting in less than 1% alcohol).
If someone is extraordinarily sensitive to gluten, they are best advised to avoid receiving the hosts (and should receive from the chalice, instead). For these folks, even cross-contamination (i.e., touching a regular host and then touching a low-gluten host) is problematic. Same thing goes for those who want to avoid all alcohol – they should only receive the host. From a theological perspective, receiving one species nevertheless means receiving the entirety of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. There is no ‘lack’ or ‘deficiency’ in receiving only one species.

Now, to your other point: are you certain that your parish only uses mustum (i.e., that is, that all Precious Blood distributed at Mass is mustum)? That would seem highly unlikely. Typically, the use of mustum is restricted to priest celebrants (since only they are required to consume the Precious Blood), and only in those cases in which the priest celebrant personally must abstain from alcohol (due to dietary or other causes).
Hi, Gorgias!

…I’m quite pedestrian… most things evade me… I take things on face value… when told by the Pastor that the wine was alcohol-free I did not question it. Though I did jump to the conclusion that the Church in the US would avail herself of such extraordinary wine…

…since you brought up some technicalities I thought it proper to investigate… here’s what I found on the net:
What is the difference between grape juice and dealcoholized wine?
Grape juice is made from crushed and pressed grapes. Wine is fermented grape juice. The base of alcohol free wines is completely fermented wine (9-12% vol.) which is dealcoholized after complete fermentation. Alcohol free wine went through the same maturing stages as the “normal” wine with the difference, that the alcohol has been extracted after reaching the maturity. Dealcoholised wine can be called “alcohol free” because the alcohol content lays underneath the 0,5% vol. (weinkoenig.com/faq.html/
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…from this definition I cannot agree with your determination that error has crept in; there is a distinct difference between grape juice and non-alcoholic wine; the fact that the process is finalized after the alcohol is formed (fermentation takes place) and then the product is dealcoholized makes it not “grape juice.”

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Turns out he had an appointment in a few minutes. So I didn’t “meet” with him. I know he is busy and I could call and setup an appointment, but right now, I feel so frustrated. I want him to help me, but even I think that he can’t and I would be wasting his time. I do see a therapist once a month, which doesn’t help. And I don’t have anyone else to talk to about my “serious” issues. I could just log them down online on a website, but no one here is a “trained profession” and I don’t want anyone trying to help me if they aren’t “trained” cause I’ve always been told normal people can’t handle what you have. So I don’t even know if a priest could.

I like my Father, and he is a nice person. And to me, there is something different about priest. They dress in all black and have a white collar, something protestants don’t do. just that alone makes me think there is something different about them. Even the pope is different. I just don’t know anything about priests. I’m brand new to Catholicism, and I barely know some of the catholic language you people use. And I’m not a theology or philosophic person. I’m the type that will physically build the church rather than teach about it. At this point giving up on religion seems to be the right thing, and just go on with my life. But I also know I can’t even do that, cause I never really get away. In a way, it is frustration how some people can do that and I’ve never been able to just leave. Take a break.

Sorry for the rant just feeling depressed and lonely, and very sad.
Hi, Ashley!

…we are never alone… even in the worst situations God is on our side… sometimes just as a silent Witness… but always at the ready to lend a Hand if we desire His Rescue…

…I wish I could take all of your pain away… that I could assure you of my professional “xyz” in psychiatry or at least that of psychology… I can only offer you my prayers and my willingness to help in any way that I can…

Do not give up on God; just be patient with yourself and with your Walk in the Faith.

…instead of the internet why don’t you start a journal… write down your thoughts or better yet, an electronic journal where you can type in your thoughts and at the end of the day simply erase the file… what you need is a release… a place where you can Call out to God and place your concerns, questions, and even your complaints… by erasing them at the end of the day you may find that your mind is refreshed as you would have removed the weight from it and placed it in that file… which then is destroyed along with those painful thoughts/memories and worries…

…you may take up a hobby such as poetry, painting, sketching, papier-mâché, or even singing or playing a musical instrument… something that can help you release the energy and the weight of those things that are crushing you and pulling you apart…

…if you wish you can PM any time.

May the Holy Spirit Bless you and Keep you Safe.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…since you brought up some technicalities I thought it proper to investigate… here’s what I found on the net:
What is the difference between grape juice and dealcoholized wine?
Grape juice is made from crushed and pressed grapes. Wine is fermented grape juice. The base of alcohol free wines is completely fermented wine (9-12% vol.) which is dealcoholized after complete fermentation.
Hold on a second! You’ve brought in a completely different notion! Your research led you to “dealcoholized” wine – this is not at all what may be used at Mass!

Look at your quote again – it talks about wine, properly fermented, from which the alcohol has been removed. That’s not what mustum is. Mustum is grape juice with which fermentation has begun, but which has stopped. Totally different product.
…from this definition I cannot agree with your determination that error has crept in;
That’s because your definition is of something different than what the Church uses at Mass. 😉
there is a distinct difference between grape juice and non-alcoholic wine
Agreed. And the Church does not utilize dealcoholized wine. 🤷
 
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