Court to rule on law calling fetus a 'human'

[Ani_Ibi]

Court to rule on law calling fetus a ‘human’

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit will hear arguments tomorrow over the constitutionality of a South Dakota law that requires doctors to tell pregnant women seeking abortions that the procedure would terminate a life and could cause them depression…

The law would require the doctor to inform the pregnant woman that an abortion would “terminate the life of a whole separate, unique living human being” and a mother-child relationship and that it could cause her depression and increased risk of suicidal thoughts. The woman would have to sign a paper saying she understood, and the doctor would have to certify that the woman understood.

The 2005 law is being challenged by Planned Parenthood and will be defended by the South Dakota Attorney General’s Office and attorneys representing two pro-life pregnancy centers. A lower court temporarily suspended the law… This is the first time that a federal appeals court will grapple with the questions of whether an abortion ends a human life and terminates a mother-child relationship…

 

[Montalban]

About time!

 

[Larry1700]

Thank goodness! Let’s all pray that the court will rule that a fetus is indeed a separate human life!

(That sounds strange doesn’t it? Iit sounds like, “Let’s all pray that the court will rule that humans need oxygen.”)

 

[stbruno]

The truth is the truth, is the truth.

Jesus said: I am the way, the truth and the life.

And the truth will set us free! I hope this spreads to all 50 states before long! Praise God!

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Pax vobiscum!

I am SO SICK of hearing stupid people keep saying “We don’t know when life begins” or “It’s not a life”… There is not a single science book in existence that states that life begins anywhere other than at conception. That is scientific fact and countless people are simply ignoring it. Klanned Parenthood is full of complete idiots.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Cari]

My OB/GYN has regular ER duty (I’m sure all of them do), and one time, while I was in for a visit, a call came over his pager. My doc is v.v. pro-life, and he made a comment about this particular patient, who was on her 5th pregnancy, none of which made it past something like 15-20 weeks, all because of damage done to her cervix during an abortion she had as a teenager made the cervix begin to dialate at such an early stage. He (my doctor) told me that the amount of women he’d seen who had mid-pregnancy miscarriages, because of cervixes that were no longer functioning normally, and how these women were never informed about this particular side effect of abortions.

I say you can’t give informed consent unless you are INFORMED.
I don’t understand how places like Planned Parenthood can argue against information and not just come out and admit that they are pro-profit, not pro-woman.

Argh.

 

[DRIVING_BEAR]

Depression is a recognized medical condition , If a doctor did not inform his/her patient about the increased risk of a medical condition( depression) the doctor would be negligent in their duty. also i don’t know if this law addressed it , but new research shows abortion increases the risk of breast cancer.

 

[rayne100]

And did we hear what the outcome was?

 

[contramundum7]

i heard that at least 30% of pregnancies after an abortion end in miscarriage…

Let’s all pray for this case, or one like it, to go to the Supreme Ct… the Supreme Ct. needs a case in order to over-rule Roe v Wade…

Pray the rosary often!!

 

[Verisimilitude]

I say you can’t give informed consent unless you are INFORMED.

The persons consent that is truly required is in the womb. That is the point isn’t it? Wait until they can give consent themselves, then ask if they want to be aborted.

I don’t understand how places like Planned Parenthood can argue against information and not just come out and admit that they are pro-profit, not pro-woman.

Argh.

You are right. What I cannot comprehend are the arguments they do provide. The refuse to give information to clients, and to the police.

“We’re very concerned about the exposure of private medical information,” Brenner said. “Anyone that has private medical information should be fearful.” Medical information should not be subject to review by outside parties, she added.

Fearful of what? When a employer calls to get information about a client- Refuse. When the courts ask for criminal investigation- comply. Why would medical records require review for elective surgery by an adult?

A judge ordered the Cincinnati Planned Parenthood Clinic on Wednesday to turn over all records for abortion patients under 18 to the lawyers for the family of a teen who had an abortion at the clinic.

Under 18? Cause for concern?

In the lawsuit filed in March 2005, the teen’s family claimed the 21-year-old man who impregnated the girl took her to the clinic on Auburn Avenue and said he was her stepbrother.

The clinic performed the abortion in March 2004 without notifying her parents, the lawsuit alleges.

I thought we were a nation of laws?

In Ohio, it’s a crime to give an abortion to a minor without a parent, custodian or guardian’s permission. In Kentucky, a parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.

Maybe they were in love.

The girl’s then-boyfriend has since been convicted on seven charges of sexual battery for having sex with the girl, then 13. He is serving a three-year prison term.

Completely insane! :banghead: Did I miss the memo where a grown man having sex with a child is socially acceptable now?

“The patients here have nothing to do with the lawsuit and it’s their identity that is at risk,” Pritts said. She pointed out even with the names blacked out it’s difficult to block identifiable information.

American Civil Liberties Union attorney Scott Greenwood called the ruling outrageous. “This is clearly an overbroad discovery order,” he said.

Pot calling the kettle black! It is outrageous.

“We asked for documents to see if this was a pattern of practice of Planned Parenthood,” Hurley said. “Our position was that in order to determine whether this was a one-time deal as they say, or whether this was something they do routinely, we need to look at the records.”

lldf.org/media.htm

Would any woman here object to this court order?

It’s law for physicians to report a gunshot wound to the police, and its law for physicians to report suspected child abuse, but its not a law and fought in court to prevent sheding light on this? What if the man were a parent, brother, or if she was raped?

If womens rights were truly the concern by PP, there would be no objection to reporting underage sex, contacting parents and authorities in such cases, and giving as much information to men and women who pass their doors.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Thanks for this, Verisimilitude. Also if those having abortions are truly doing nothing wrong, then what is the problem with handing over the records?

Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I haven’t followed up on the original story because I’ve been busy over on the Philosophy threads.

 

[Erich]

I am SO SICK of hearing stupid people keep saying “We don’t know when life begins” or “It’s not a life”…

Or “It’s only a fetus”

As far as I’m concerned, “If it’s not a baby, then you’re not pregnant.”

 

[Listener]

I always wonder where people are coming from when they think a fetus is not human. What do they think it is - maybe feline or canine???

 

[GreenJeans]

It’s probably worth quoting the full sentence which the OP truncated. It’s good to know who is being quoted.

"This is the first time that a federal appeals court will grapple with the questions of whether an abortion ends a human life and terminates a mother-child relationship, as the South Dakota law purports, said one lawyer who will help defend it."

 

[Larry1700]

I always wonder where people are coming from when they think a fetus is not human. What do they think it is - maybe feline or canine???

I was having a discussion in another thread where I used the bald eagle analogy (federal law prohibits stealing bald eagle eggs because they’re eagles even at the egg stage). He said “Oh my…not because they’re already eagles, but because they’re going to be eagles.” :hypno: