Cousin in scripture bro and sis of Jesus

[SoMissCatholic]

James WAS NOT talking about works for salvation.
If he was, that means to be saved, We have to feed and clothe people, Protect people and killing your children [Or at least be willig to],

James was talking about works after we get saved, Not to save us.

Why, it seems that is exactly the position Jesus took:

Matthew 25:31-46

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

 

[rcwitness]

This was originally posted here

Thanks adrift,
I am also curious if it would have been strange to name a son who is not the firstborn, after the father’s name (as would be the claim of Joseph)?

Thanks SoMissCatholic,
Good choice of words from the Lord regarding faith and works.

And peace to saved75,
May the Lord give you His Spirit of peace and revelation. I am truly sorry to see you banned. The truth of the Catholic faith is hidden from the proud. His Eucharist is hidden manna to the humble. He is waiting for you there. “The Spirit and the bride say,‘come’”
Remember, St Paul was attacking the Church, but the Lord, by revelation, showed Him truth. Now he is greater.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

I know what the Bible teaches and I know what the catholics teach, And I know they are not the same.

The Bible does not teach anything. It cannot speak, it is not human. It is a book. You cannot put the Bible on the witness stand and ask it what it meant in John 3:13 or Matthew 16:2.

People teach. People interpret the Bible, guided by the Holy Spirit.

What makes you think your interpretation is the correct one, free from error and not the interpretation of a Lutheran or a Methodist or an Anglican?

Catholics rely on our Magisterium which consists of Bishops and the Pope to interpret Scripture guided by the Holy Spirit.

I think that you sincerely THINK that you know what the Catholic Church teaches but in practice you don’t as evidenced by your posts here.

“There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.” - Bishop Sheen.

 

[adrift]

Thanks adrift,
I am also curious if it would have been strange to name a son who is not the firstborn, after the father’s name (as would be the claim of Joseph)?

I have not idea. The only time I remember in scripture of naming a child after his father is when the people wanted to name John after his father Zechariah.

 

[Church_Militant]

You are going by your own experience and the beliefs of men rather then the Biblical truth.

Wait…you’re the guy who tells us that most of the other thousands of Christian denoms are not even Christian, right? Yet you are in precisely the same situation that they are, in that you have your Bible and you read it and have decided what is true and correct, supposedly by some charism of the Holy Spirit, yet all of them claim that same thing and have the same Bible you do.

I think you’re gonna have a hard time convincing people that you are the one true interpreter, regardless of your so-called scholarship and evidence when in fact, you’re teachings disagree with the New Testament (as many here have shown you) and the earliest verifiable authentic writings of Christians.

If you knew the Bible

Actually I do know the Bible…and demonstrably better than nearly all of the n-Cs that I have encountered who have sought to prove the Catholic faith wrong.

and you knew the catholic teachings

I obviously know the Catholic faith far and away better than you do Sir, as I have already demonstrated, and if you check my post history, as well as my blog you’ll see plenty of evidence of that.

, You would know thet aren’t the same, There are far to many differences between the Biblical Church and the -]catholic/-] Catholic church, For the -]catholics/-] Catholics to be God’s Church.

Notice my corrections to your post. I see that you consistently and intentionally show us discourtesy and disrespect by failing to use proper English grammar and Capitalize the proper nouns for our church and who we are. I consider that a cheap shot and a disgrace for anyone who names themselves a Christian. I may disagree with their beliefs and doctrines, but I always capitalize proper nouns like Protestant, Evangelical, and Fundamentalist because it shows them proper courtesy, respect, and Christian charity.

As for the differences between our most holy faith and those of the modern (yes, modern…since with the exception of the Eastern Orthodox, their beliefs are only about 500 years old) n-C faith communities, they exist because they are (generally speaking) departed offshoots of new winds of doctrines of men.

The fact is that, despite your anti-Catholic proselytizing in your posts here on CAF, you do not really know what we Catholics believe and why. I urge you to make a sincere and prayerful effort to get the facts and then decide for yourself.

Here’s a suggestion for a good start.

shop.catholic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/h/what-catholics-really-believe.jpg
I will offer one final prime example of your own poor scholarship that I refuted some years ago on my blog. You asserted that the Catholic Church did not come into existence until the time of Constantine in the 4th century, which is totally inaccurate with the actual historical facts.

See THE PAGANIZATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH UNDER CONSTANTINE

 

[JohnR77]

The Greek word for “Brethren” is Adelphos"
Matt 13: 55.
In this context it means, I Quote,
“Brothers of the same womb as Jesus”.

It was sad that the facts detailed by Fr of Jazz were not understood. Perhaps, I can restate them in another way.

Yes, the original derivation of “Adelphos” does mean from the same womb, but we can see that the authors of the Bible had come to use that word in larger sense.
See chart for King Herod’s sons below.

The Greek word for cousin “anepsios” is used in the New Testament. See Paul, below. More importantly, Jesus’ brothers and sisters are never referred to as cousins (anepsios). They are called brothers or sisters.

“Anepsios” only works when cousins are specifically being referred to.
The New Testament authors had adapted “Adelphos” to mean what the Aramaic word for brothers, “aha” meant, any close relative. Since “anepsios” would not work in each of those instances they just used “Adelphos” freely without feeling the need to explain specifically.

And lets look how ridiculous Mark 3 becomes if we try to make Jesus’ brothers and sisters into cousins.

Mark 3: 31-35
And his mother and his **cousins **came; … And looking around on those who sat about him, he said, “Here are my mother and my **cousins **35 Whoever does the will of God is my male cousin, and female cousin, and mother."

We are not saying “Adelphos” meant cousins and that you can replace it as you did above. Rather, it included cousins.

I think the anti-Catholic argument using Firstborns is best refuted by showing a word study on the special privileges associated with that title to show why Jesus is declared Firstborn. Actually, sometimes the second born was entitled as the “Firstborn.”

Numbers 18:15-16
“Every living thing that opens the womb, whether of man or of beast, such as are to be offered to the LORD, shall be yours; but you must let the first-born of man, as well as of unclean animals, be redeemed. The ransom for a boy is to be paid when he is a month old; it is fixed at five silver shekels…” NAB

Consider, even though King David is the youngest son ( Cf. 1 Sam 16:10-13), he is called the firstborn.

     There is an ancient Greek tomb inscription at Tel -          el Yaoudieh in Egypt (          It reads:             **"In the pain of delivering my first-born child, destiny          brought me to the end of life."**  
     Surely, she did not have more children after her          death.  


     Therefore, the fact that Jesus is called           "firstborn"  does not mean that there is a second born.  It is a term          that had a deeper theological significance than just a numerical          sequence.

I liked the rebuttal offered for “until” but many Bible translations do not use that word.
See more for “until” and “Firstborn” here

defendingthebride.com/ma4/until.html

Some have said that the reference to Mary’s sister is the other Mary.
And I concede that is possible, however looking at the context below I think it refers to Salome. And this produces another argument to show that “Adelphos” includes a larger group of family members and not just brothers.

**The phrase “his mother’s sister,” in Jn 19.25 [below], is a reference to the mother of the sons of Zebedee , a.k.a. Salome. This is also evident when we compare Matthew 27:56, Mark 15:40, and John 19:25 [see quotes below.] These passages show a consistency whereby each of these three Gospels lists all three of the women at the cross besides the Blessed Virgin Mary. It would have been self evident that a loving Jewish and presumably widowed mother of an only child would have been at the cross so it was almost redundant to state that the Blessed Virgin Mary was there.
**
**Those other three women are
1. Mary Magdalene,
2. the “other Mary” who was the wife of Clopas and the mother of James and Joseph (or Joses), and
3. Salome who was Zebedee’s wife and who is described as Mary’s sister. **

Matthew 27:56 ****
“ …among whom wereMary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.”
Mark 15:40 ****
“There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome …” **
John 19:25
“So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.”
RSV **

**However, we know that Mary and Salome were cousins (see family tree below) so this is an example of “adelphos” (actually, the feminine version of the word in this case), being used with a wider definition than just children from the same womb.

See

defendingthebride.com/ma2/brothers.html

John**

 

[Sheadad]

I think we should say a prayer for ‘saved75’.

Clearly his posts show a level of immaturity and arrogance, which isn’t unusual considering he is a product of children of the reformation.

We all know and appreciate our sacramental living faith, but he doesn’t see it that way. He doesn’t see that the Lord handed on the keys to Peter and the Apostles to transmit the faith. He can’t understand the scriptures or the power of God, which is understandable considering the monumental current he is caught in. He is doing exactly what he is capable of and it takes courage to try and battle against Catholics. Too bad he didn’t go about it with any sense of humility or charity. Maybe the Lord will open up another door for him.

Lord, we pray that you will soften the heart of ‘saved75’ and in your time, show him the immense beauty of your holy Church.

 

[Fr_of_Jazz]

The devil quoted scriptures, What does that tell you.

Alright, look, I’ll break down for you why you’re getting the reaction you’re getting.

I
(1) Your basic premise is “The Bible is the only and sufficient rule of faith.”

(2) But the Bible, functionally speaking, is just another book on the shelf–paper with ink stains–until it is read and interpreted. Any text is actualized as communication only in reading and interpreting.
So by the very nature of using a written text the premise is really (and cannot be other than) SS means: my interpretation of the Bible alone here in 2013 is the only and sufficient rule of faith. Call this SS.

(3) The CC believed, lived, and taught that God’s word was handed on through Scripture, and Tradition, and the Church (STC) for 1500 yrs prior to the Reformation protest against this principle.

(4) The NT authors themselves teach and portray STC.

(5) So show us why is one rationally compelled to abandon STC and adopt the newer Reformation teaching of SS? Where’s the proof for this principle? So far all you’ve given is that the teaching of the CC differs from the results of your interpretation of the Bible alone here in 2013 on certain subjects. And that is arguing in a circle.

II
(1) The CC maintains that the act of faith in Jesus Christ given by grace includes in its essence belief in the teaching of Jesus Christ.

(2) So what did Jesus teach? As a sample . . .

Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?” He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
(Mt 19:16-17; see //s in Mk 10:17-19; Lk 18:18-20)

“Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.”
(Jn 5:28-29)

(3) Consider this thought experiment. Is it possible for one to believe and trust in Christ as their Lord and Savior and at the same time deliberately intend NOT to abide by the moral teachings of Christ and not to repent of infractions of them in the past? In other words at the same time one is saying I believe Jesus is my Savior they are also saying I will never try to live as you want me to live, I will not do or avoid a single thing, Lord, you command; nor am I sorry for times I did not follow Your teaching. Would that be true faith?

(4) RE works, any reading of St. Paul as a whole makes it abundantly clear he is talking to (a) Jews; (b) Judaizers (of Acts and Galatians) who demanded for salvation Christians must also follow the Mosaic Law–be observant Jews–, and (c) pagans of Romans 1-3 who thought they could be saved by faithless, graceless works of virtue that may correspond to the 10 Comm. To (a) and (b) he points out that since God’s plan is now fully revealed in Christ, Judaism and the works of the Jewish Law are superseded by and “obsolete” (Rm 7:6, cf. Heb 8:13). To (c), even though they may have the law written in their hearts, they still do not fulfill it perfectly (Rom 2:12-16). To both he points out that we are saved apart from works of the Law by faith in Christ. *

But nowhere does Paul separate choosing to live and act the way God wants from the essence of faith or salvation. He in fact warns believers that if they do certain things they will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:8-10; Gal 5:16-21).

(5) Last, I would point out that even significant Protestant scholarship does not separate works inspired by grace from the essence of faith and salvation.

In its biblical usage, “faith” that saves, which is given by grace, involves and requires in its essence:
(1) assent to the Christian message in the Person of Jesus Christ;
(2) the choice to change ones behavior to abide by all the teaching (including the moral teaching) of the Gospel; and
(3) faithfulness, that is, an enduring commitment to God in Christ for life.
When one or more of these fails, one has broken faith with God.

Sources (neither are Catholic):
Gerhard Kittle, ed., Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, 10 vols. (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm R. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1968), VI:174-228, “pisteuo”; I:216-25, “akouo, akoe, hypakoe”; VI:1-11, “peitho, apeitheo”.
David Noel Freedman, ed., Anchor Bible Dictionary, 6 vols. (NY: Doubleday, 1992), II:744-760. “Faith”.*

 

[SAVINGRACE]

I think we should say a prayer for ‘saved75’.

Clearly his posts show a level of immaturity and arrogance, which isn’t unusual considering he is a product of children of the reformation.

We all know and appreciate our sacramental living faith, but he doesn’t see it that way. He doesn’t see that the Lord handed on the keys to Peter and the Apostles to transmit the faith. He can’t understand the scriptures or the power of God, which is understandable considering the monumental current he is caught in. He is doing exactly what he is capable of and it takes courage to try and battle against Catholics. Too bad he didn’t go about it with any sense of humility or charity. Maybe the Lord will open up another door for him.

Lord, we pray that you will soften the heart of ‘saved75’ and in your time, show him the immense beauty of your holy Church.

Dear St. Monica,
troubled wife and mother,
many sorrows pierced your heart during your lifetime.
Yet, you never despaired or lost faith.
With confidence, persistence, and profound faith,
you prayed daily for the conversion
of your beloved husband, Patricius,
and your beloved son, Augustine;
your prayers were answered.
Grant me that same fortitude, patience,
and trust in the Lord.
Intercede for me, dear St. Monica,
that God may favorably hear my plea for

(Saved75)

and grant me the grace to accept His Will in all things,
through Jesus Christ, our Lord,
in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
one God, forever and ever.

Amen.