Craft and implement a new form of the Mass while suppressing the current OF and EF Mass canons

[Kathleen18]

Because it was my choice to. And furthermore as to my participation for the rest of the discussion…
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[KMG]

The problem with this whole thread’s premise is that once again it’s liturgy by committee. That was the problem in the 1960s/early 1970s.

Liturgy developed organically. The notion that you can just go in and play mix and match, some of this some of that, is foreign to the spirit of the liturgy.

 

[DustThouArt]

I have a missal printed in 1969 prior to the Novus Ordo of ++Pope Paul VI. It was printed by Catholic Book Publishers for the US. It is a very organic growth from the Tridentine Mass. Vernacular and Latin coexist. The form, many of the Prayers and the Liturgical calendar are retained. Participation in the prayers is increased. This missal, in my opinion, was a perfect, organic response to S.C. Unfortunately it did not last but for a year or so and the Novus Ordo became the law of the land.

 

[on_the_hill]

I don’t disagree with you in principle. If a person wants to become an Olympic athlete, he or she has to go through a whole lot to get there.

With the Catholic faith, however, I don’t believe that the route to salvation is necessarily full of obstacles to overcome. There’s no question that people suffer tremendously for their Catholic faith in certain parts of the world. It doesn’t make us in the U.S. (or most other places) less worthy of salvation if we don’t face challenges. We aren’t to test each other’s fealty and fidelity by creating tests and challenges to prove ourselves. Similarly, I have no objection if people want to give themselves obstacles if doing so draws them closer to God. God wants what we give from our hearts.

Another thing is that strict adherence to old rubrics (and whatever–I’m wading out of my depth here) isn’t a measure of our reverence or commitment or holiness.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

In all sincerity, why in the world would you post something like that? Why post anything at all if you don’t want to take part in a discussion?

I think because the title of the thread doesn’t really match what you and Spyridon have claimed your intentions here to be. I think that on a Catholic forum which is inhabited by members of the clergy, you might want to avoid the appearance of hostility to the current forms of the Mass. I don’t think you have succeeded in that respect. Although I applaud your, and Spyridon’s, efforts to correct any misinterpretations that your discussion is anything but fanciful.

 

[Spyridon]

might want to avoid the appearance of hostility to the current forms of the Mass. I don’t think you have succeeded in that respect. Although I applaud your, and Spyridon’s, efforts to correct any misinterpretations that

I certainly did not intend to imply that the Pauline Mass is wrong or I am hostile to it.

The majority of recommendations I had could be implemented into an OF Mass today, and in fact many OF Masses already do implement many of them - watch a Mass on EWTN and you will see many of my suggestions in an OF Mass being used, today.

 

[omgriley]

I agree. I would like to see the ban on percussion and piano to return. And ban guitar too.

I find all 3 to be distracting

I have to say, coming from an avid guitar player (who’s mother played in guitar masses with David Haas if memory serves), the sight of a guitar at mass makes me sick. Guitars are beautiful instruments, but that does not mean they are appropriate for use in Sacred Liturgy. In fact, there are very few instruments that are appropriate. Obviously an organ. But guitars, pianos, drums?? This isn’t Rock Band.

My wife and I have a running joke every time we go into a Church and see the guitarists on the alter ready to play. Because they’re set up almost identical to what you would see in an actual rock concert (sound equipment, microphones, long black cables, some times even a sound board), we imagine they address the congregation saying:

“What’s up, guys?! We’re Testament. We’re going to play some of the songs off our new album. You can purchase a T-Shirt in the back after Mass --by the way, there’s a mass going on-- and we really hope you’ll have fun worshiping with us tonight!”



BTW: Anyone who happens to disagree with me on the use of these instruments in the Sacred Liturgy, I mean no offense. It’s just my opinion.

 

[omgriley]

Oh yeah, they’re up there. They’re not in the Sanctuary. But they’re on the alter nonetheless.

 

[Ann_Stanton]

In the church I attend, we hire organists from other faiths because we don’t have Catholic musicians. Have you ever considered what it is like for disabled people in the church. My parish sets aside a pew. The elderly and the disabled do not get communion except from Extraordinary Ministers. They remodel the church this past year, but the elderly and disabled can not use the Reconciliation Room. Some disabled persons get headphones so they can hear and understand the Mass. Your “new” Mass, how well does it help all of God’s children? If you are mentally disabled, you may get one Mass a month suited for your disability. I am not opposed to either EF or OF or a new form. Just concerned about all of the ones who attend.

 

[NickyMaz]

I totally disagree, a return to tradition will bring people (especially young people) back!

 

[on_the_hill]

If tradition would bring in young people, I infer from your comment that young people stay away because the Church moved away from old traditional ways of the Mass.

How about they come back now instead of wait for something they may find more appealing? Young people are viewing Catholicism from the wrong perspective if non-traditional Masses is the reason they’re staying away.

It’s like saying, “I’ll stay unemployed because the only car that can get me to a job has an automatic transmission and I would prefer a manual transmission.”

 

[LoyalViews]

This is tried and true. Our TLM gets way more youth, and a lot of young men are eager to serve on the altar - in fact, last Sunday, we had seven on the altar.

I would endorse any move that would shut down the whole Bon Jovi Mass settings that I hear in the OF. Sometimes I wonder if I’m going to receive the Eucharist, or a drop of spit from the microphone eating cantor.

 

[ProVobis]

Except that doctrinal Trent stated that the Mass was not to be everywhere vernacular (actually the translation was “vulgar”)

 

[PopePiusXIISupp]

Bad idea as we have already something like that which is the Anglican Ordinariate. Also, the liturgy develops organically. What that whole idea would do is change the course of the development. Most of the stuff you mentioned can be done for the Mass of Paul VI as options though the Divine Worship (Anglicans Ordinariate) already has all of those options.