Crucial premises on idea of God

[cho_pilo]

Anything anyone says about, intends about or does in relation to what they consider to be God, is a reflection of their consciousness about God.

The crucial premises:

We are dependent beings.

1. We cannot actually create anything on our own, we can only use and rearrange what is already available (both physically and mentally).

Many (attempts of) proofs (or disproofs) about God are focused on having the correct/right/adequate idea of God.

I contend for a much broader understanding of the issue, hence Anything anyone says about, intends about or does in relation to what they consider to be God, is a reflection of their consciousness about God.

 

[valentino]

1)I know nothing about God other than that which hs been rreaveled.2)What do you mean dependeant human beings?3)true 40same as 1.5)What do you mean on reflection?look at 1.

 

[cho_pilo]

1)I know nothing about God other than that which hs been rreaveled.2)What do you mean dependeant human beings?3)true 40same as 1.5)What do you mean on reflection?look at 1.

By the way, I am referring to post #8 of this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=551172

 

[Sair]

Anything anyone says about, intends about or does in relation to what they consider to be God, is a reflection of their consciousness about God.

The crucial premises:

We are dependent beings.

1. We cannot actually create anything on our own, we can only use and rearrange what is already available (both physically and mentally).

Many (attempts of) proofs (or disproofs) about God are focused on having the correct/right/adequate idea of God.

I contend for a much broader understanding of the issue, hence Anything anyone says about, intends about or does in relation to what they consider to be God, is a reflection of their consciousness about God.

My thoughts on this are firstly that such a conception does not automatically lead to the Christian God; and secondly that truth, while not absolutely relative - as some proponents of organised religion would have it, absent their theology - is still confined within discernible parameters, though ones that are not strictly black and white, A or not-A.

1. We have ideas of many things.
2. We are dependent beings.
3. We cannot actually create anything on our own, we can only use and rearrange what is already available (both physically and mentally).
4. One of the ideas we have is the idea of God.
5. This idea could not have been caused by ourselves, because we know ourselves to be limited and imperfect, and we cannot actually create anything on our own.
6. Therefore, the idea must have been caused by something outside us.
7. Therefore God himself must be the cause of the idea we have of him.
8. Therefore God exists.

It’s quite possible to consider the idea of God in terms of other things that have been available to humankind over the course of our existence as a species. Early human societies - at least those from whom we have written records, which is comparatively late in the evolutionary timescale of our species - tended to personify natural forces and conceive of them as gods with personalities and desires; upon that foundation, it’s not a great leap to seeing how specific gods could be subsumed into an overarching notion of one, all-powerful meta-god, if you like. So, from this perspective, certainly the idea of gods was based upon something that was outside our conscious control - the weather, seasons, movement of the tides and so on - but it doesn’t necessarily follow that there was any supernatural being planting such ideas in early human minds.

 

[fhansen]

Being made in the image and likeness of God, we have His “handprint” within us, and at least a dim perception of Him as a consequence. According to the account of the fall however, that perception wasn’t originally dim or non-existent but rather was also a consequence, resulting from a preference for living life apart from a consciousness of His godhood and therefore of His very existence, let alone of His rightful authority over us. Revelation seeks to reconcile that severed relationship which resulted in our separation from Him-saving us from our lost condition. When we receive that revelation we should, like sheep recognizing the long-lost voice of the Shepard, respond to that voice and turn back to Him.

The truths revealed by our Church constitute that voice, that revelation/action by God in this world, with faith and hope-composed of the knowledge of those truths and the grace to believe in those truths and place our confidence in them-the result.