Crucifixion

  • Thread starter Thread starter anrmenchaca74
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
A

anrmenchaca74

Guest
Ok.,…

So did Jesus Christ die, pretty much, to open up the gates of heaven for us as well as offering himself as a sacrifice for our sins?
 
Ok.,…

So did Jesus Christ die, pretty much, to open up the gates of heaven for us as well as offering himself as a sacrifice for our sins?
I personally like to include a few other reasons:
Please consider the following:
Jesus Christ wanted another person to freely choose to love exactly as He loves, so He and the other person could experience a limitless happiness (He was already perfectly peaceful and happy). Since He had to create this person, an incredibly complex plan was needed to ensure that each creation would have an equal and just opportunity to choose to follow Him.

Since He wants someone to choose to love exactly as He loves, He demonstrated exactly how patient and kind He is eternally in Heaven during His Crucifixion (Unconditionally, even in the face of hatred).

Therefore, His Crucifixion served as a perfect repentance for having shown an “assumed” anger in the synagogue, and the extremely hard to interpret and validate Word.
It served as a perfect repentance to those people who have an especially hard road ahead of them, especially those who do not believe in Him. He is saying something to the effect of, "I am sorry earthly life must be this hard. I am sorry in order to experience an unbreakable peace and limitless happiness as a society, these struggles present themselves. I too will subject myself to similar struggles and pain in order to demonstrate that you can overcome earthly life’s obstacles. Please forgive me for asking this of you. Please believe in me so that we can celebrate True Life in Heaven with unbreakable peace, limitless happiness, and unstoppable energy for everyone.
His Crucifixion serves as the calling to His True Followers: Those who follow His lead must fall in love with trying to perfect patience and kindness in themselves and towards everyone, even when others are impatient, unkind, and mean. And it is this deep love of His Followers, which bears the impatience and meanness (the Cross) of others, and leads to growing the level of peace and happiness for all.
He revealed to us stages that occur during the trials and tribulations, and how to react and embrace each stage.

Excellent thought-provoking question! I look forward to further discussion.

Thoughts?
 
=anrmenchaca74;8871828]Ok.,…
So did Jesus Christ die, pretty much, to open up the gates of heaven for us as well as offering himself as a sacrifice for our sins?
As Redemption applies to “ALL”, and salvation to “many”’ at least two differnt things had to occour as a result of Christ Death.

“Redemption” indeed makes reference to the reopening of heavens Gate, which was locked due to Original Sins of Adam and Eve.

“Salvation” is a process. By His death Christ / God assures every human person sufficient grace to know Him. What our individual response to that grace is our OWN choice, an therefore it is our life decisions that determines the liklihood of our salvation

SALVATION

It always and every time begins by God imitative of offering GRACE; the First key element

Rom.3: 24 “they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, “

If the Grace is accepted and correctly applied this leads to Faith; the next key element”

Rom.5:1-2 “Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God.”

Rom.1: 17 “For in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith; as it is written, “He who through faith is righteous shall live.”

Next are a SERIES of Full and Complete Obedience ISSUES:
The Commandments: Mt.17:19 And Know my friends that the 10 are categories of sin: not the entire list.

To the CC and the Pope and Magesterium:

2 John 8-9 Anyone who is so “progressive” as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son

John 5: 37 “; and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent. You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life [Speaking of accepting the entire WORD of GOD]. I do not receive glory from men. [Meaning disobedience is rampant!] But I know that you have not the love of God within you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me” [Obey Me!]

Then there is the necessity to KNOW the Gospels and WHT THEY Actually teach which requires the CC.

Eph.1 :13 to 14 “In him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

Then there is the issue of Good Works and Christy that you point out:
We also see when all is said and done on Judgment day (Matt 25), those who will be saved are ONLY those who can answer yes to the series of questions. [NO; NOT ONLY BUT ONE OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS…PJM] Did you feed me when I was hungry, clothe me when I was naked, visit me in prison, or when I was sick, invite me in when I was a stranger…etc, These questions were not a matter of simple belief, but of works.

Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

Rev.2: 23 “and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.”

1 Peter 1: 17 “Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one’s works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, “

And let us NOT forget the Forgiveness of SINS which CAN ONLY happen in the manner Jesus Himself gives to all of humanity as an OFFER through the Sacrament of Confession. ANYONE who dies with Unconfessed; Unforgiven Mortal sins; DOOMS themselves to Hell for all eternity.
As

1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

John.20 Verses 20 to 23" When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”

Each and EVERY ONE of the COMMANDS MUST BE Fulfilled and maintained in our lives IF we are to attain our own salvation.

The thief on the cross is often brought up as an example of simply calling on the name of Jesus. What they might miss is the fact he confesses his sins, defends Christ from the verbal attack of the other thief, and then asks Christ into his heart…no doubt Christ is Mercy and knows our heart well enough to know our sincerity and can distinguish between true love & repentance vs. fear of judgment.

Jesus Himself commands that Baptism is a REQUIREMENT for our salvation. This “good” Thief earned and was granted by Jesus Baptism of Desire: One of the three possible forms God accepts.

God Bless,
Pat
 
Heaven was opened after the Resurrection of Jesus.
Ok, so if the gates of Heaven were opened after the Ressurection,…did people like Elijah, who was taken up body and soul, make a stop-over in purgatory until the gates of Heaven opened up? I mean, you would think that having been taken up body and soul that he would have gone straight up to Heaven, but seeing as how Adam and Eve messed things up for us, I can’t help but wonder about Elijah. Any thoughts on this anyone?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top