Damnation and RCIA

[robin_hood]

At this weeks RCIA meeting one of our Priests led a presentation on the Sacrament on Reconciliation.Somebody mentioned that if you commit Mortal sin and do not repent of it, knowing that it is Grave matter and having freely consented to the sin you will go to Hell.
To this Father said that you cannot put constraints on God and if somebody commits a Mortal sin and does not repent does not mean that they go to Hell.Another Catechist stated that You will be given a opportunity after death to repent.
I quoted the Catechism paras 1033-1036 and 1861 on Hell and Mortal sin, but to no avail.
Any ideas what I do from here

 

[asquared]

the key is “do not repent”. At the moment of death each soul experiences particular judgement and the person who dies in mortal sin has the opportunity to repent and at that moment make the irrevocable choice for hell or heaven. At that moment one also is confronted with full knowledge of their sins and the reality of their sin, but also the full knowledge of God’s love and mercy.

 

[cyprian]

asquared:

the key is “do not repent”. At the moment of death each soul experiences particular judgement and the person who dies in mortal sin has the opportunity to repent and at that moment make the irrevocable choice for hell or heaven. At that moment one also is confronted with full knowledge of their sins and the reality of their sin, but also the full knowledge of God’s love and mercy.

wrong. no repentance after death. God ratifies your decision to serve Him or not while you lived on earth. Not trying to love God now (seeking) means that for you heaven merely won’t exist. You made your choice(not choosing to serve God) with ample opportunity to choose the good. Not recognizing Him now, how will we know Him upon death.

 

[robin_hood]

asquared:

the key is “do not repent”. At the moment of death each soul experiences particular judgement and the person who dies in mortal sin has the opportunity to repent and at that moment make the irrevocable choice for hell or heaven. At that moment one also is confronted with full knowledge of their sins and the reality of their sin, but also the full knowledge of God’s love and mercy.

Where does this quote come from. at the moment of death one cannot repent.
catechism para 1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgement that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of Heaven- through a purification or immediatly- or immediate and everlasting damnation
No scope there for repentance after death

 

[threej_lc]

They’re half right, and you’re more right. A person who dies unrepetant of a mortal sin is doomed to hell. No questions asked. You are correct. However, we can not limit God in his ability to grant grace at the final moments of life (or possibly even at the first moments of death), to bring a person to repentance, which we would never otherwise know about. In that regard, no, we can never judge.

Josh

 

[sadie2723]

asquared:

the key is “do not repent”. At the moment of death each soul experiences particular judgement and the person who dies in mortal sin has the opportunity to repent and at that moment make the irrevocable choice for hell or heaven. At that moment one also is confronted with full knowledge of their sins and the reality of their sin, but also the full knowledge of God’s love and mercy.

This is not correct. I am sorry to say it is not, as it would make life a lot easier. Alas, as Catholics we are not allowed to do whatever we want in life and then just repent at the time of death. We must live out our faith in our daily lives and repent when we know we have done wrong. The above quote smacks of the Protestant belief of “Once Saved Always Saved,” which makes no sense considering scripture. By the logic employed above, nobody would ever go to Hell…because who is going to choose Hell over Heaven if they are given a choice.

To the original author, based on what you stated, I have to say that I do not agree with your Priest. The Catechism is clear on this subject as is the Bible.

Brad

 

[cyprian]

threej_lc:

They’re half right, and you’re more right. A person who dies unrepetant of a mortal sin is doomed to hell. No questions asked. You are correct. However, we can not limit God in his ability to grant grace at the final moments of life (or possibly even at the first moments of death), to bring a person to repentance, which we would never otherwise know about. In that regard, no, we can never judge.

Josh

correct, we can’t play God. Unfortunately religious ed. is not what it should be in many places.

 

[Kotton]

robin hood:

At this weeks RCIA meeting one of our Priests led a presentation on the Sacrament on Reconciliation.Somebody mentioned that if you commit Mortal sin and do not repent of it, knowing that it is Grave matter and having freely consented to the sin you will go to Hell.
To this Father said that you cannot put constraints on God and if somebody commits a Mortal sin and does not repent does not mean that they go to Hell.Another Catechist stated that You will be given a opportunity after death to repent.
I quoted the Catechism paras 1033-1036 and 1861 on Hell and Mortal sin, but to no avail.
Any ideas what I do from here

Who put any constraints on God? Sounds as if Father is contradicting the Church and CCC. Then the Catechist is telling us we can repent after death?
Things like this make me want to sit in on the classes and be a thorn in their side.

Kotton

 

[cyprian]

Kotton:

Who put any constraints on God? Sounds as if Father is contradicting the Church and CCC. Then the Catechist is telling us we can repent after death?
Things like this make me want to sit in on the classes and be a thorn in their side.

Kotton

AMEN!!:yup:

 

[Lapsed]

robin hood:

Another Catechist stated that You will be given a opportunity after death to repent.

And here I thought I’d left the Mormon church.

 

[robin_hood]

threej_lc:

They’re half right, and you’re more right. A person who dies unrepetant of a mortal sin is doomed to hell. No questions asked. You are correct. However, we can not limit God in his ability to grant grace at the final moments of life (or possibly even at the first moments of death), to bring a person to repentance, which we would never otherwise know about. In that regard, no, we can never judge.

Josh

At the final moments of life we are obviously still living so we can repent.But the first moments of death you cant repent I always believed that once you were dead you were dead I didnt realised it came in stages.
No one is judging here ,but clearly stating the teaching of Christ as given in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

[threej_lc]

robin hood:

At the final moments of life we are obviously still living so we can repent.But the first moments of death you cant repent I always believed that once you were dead you were dead I didnt realised it came in stages.
No one is judging here ,but clearly stating the teaching of Christ as given in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I never said you could repent after you died. For gosh sake, we shouldn’t rely on it. I just said I wasn’t going to completely rule it out, because God is just that merciful. Until I hear an official statement from the church saying that repentance can only occur during life, I can’t personally make that statement for the church.

Josh

 

[Sir_Knight]

asquared:

the key is “do not repent”. At the moment of death each soul experiences particular judgement and the person who dies in mortal sin has the opportunity to repent and at that moment make the irrevocable choice for hell or heaven. At that moment one also is confronted with full knowledge of their sins and the reality of their sin, but also the full knowledge of God’s love and mercy.

Uh, where are you getting this from? Reference source, please.