dating during divorce (if the marriage is invalid anyway)

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every social encounter with a person of the opposite sex is not a date. OP said dating, and I think we have a pretty good idea what that means, even if of course no more intimate level of relationship is contemplated.
The OP also said that her marriage was invalid, it was a civil marriage, which is not reconized by the Church. If she were not getting a divorce and she and her husband were converting to the Catholic Faith, the Church would tell them that they would have to live as brother and sister until they are married in the Church. I’ve seen this happen with a friend of mine.

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Jim
 
You could just as well say that physical affairs start because one spouse does not have his/her physical needs meet and seeks support from another person. It’s still wrong to seek the physical benefits of marriage with someone else just as its wrong to seek the emotional benefits of marriage with another.
No I would never say that physical affairs start because one spouse does not meet the physical needs of another spouse. I will never be able to put emotions on the same level as sexual either. Do you realize that there are some people who are completely unable to have emotional discussions? But unfortunately most everyone can have sex. (you need a license to drive a car or teach kids but no license is needed for sex)

Am I the only person who sees the difference between a physical relationship and spiritual/emotional relationship with a friend? Wow do I see things different than you.

Terry
 
The OP also said that her marriage was invalid, it was a civil marriage, which is not reconized by the Church. If she were not getting a divorce and she and her husband were converting to the Catholic Faith, the Church would tell them that they would have to live as brother and sister until they are married in the Church. I’ve seen this happen with a friend of mine.

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Jim
OP did not say she was talking about herself she posed a hypothetical situation, nor did she mention remarriage, she asked about dating. Advice such as this is given by the priest in confession, not over an internet forum, because what applies to one person or one couple does not necessarily apply to everyone.
 
I am divorced and remarried. That was a long time ago. But I am paying the price for decisions made while reeling from the emotional pain that comes when your spouse leaves you.

Any way, if I could offer any advice, even if the situation is hypothetical, I would say that anyone with any kind of marriage difficulty immediately seek constant consultation with your local parish priest. There are consequences to every action. Better to be informed about what they might be before you act.
 
A man is separated from their wife, eventually gets a civil divorce and thereafter an annulment but this process takes say 10 years. During that time the man has been dating and has been in a romantic but not sexual relationship with other women. He sees nothing wrong with this because his logic is that once the annulment is given it is backdated so to speak to the time of the marriage and so the sin of being dating and romantically involved with other women over these 10 years is also automatically taken away due to the annulment.
Is this right?
No, of course not. One cannot start driving a car or drinking 3 years before they can obtain an license or attain the proper age, just because they will sometime in the future. A person may begin dating after the Annulment has been granted and not before.
 
completely wrong from start to finish
annulments typically take 6-18 months except in the most complex situations.

during that time however long it takes the person is still considered married so he cannot date in exclusive relationshps, he cannot become romantically involved with anyone and he certainly cannot carry on a sexual relationship whether casual or committed with anyone. The word you are looking for is adultery. Just because the 1st marriage is eventually declared null does not affect any activity of his in the meantime, and no it does not confer retroactive absolution for any sins he does in the interim.
Your opening comment is very uncharitable considering I was only giving a hypothetical case and I did not say the annulment process took 10 years. I was talking about the whole process, from first splitting up to later getting a divorce and then seeking an annulment!!! Please read carefully what I said before you jump down my throat!

As for your last paragraph I agree with you. I have been trying to persuade my friend to stop dating until his annulament comes through but he says once his annulment comes through it means he was never married and consequently any dating he has done prior to his annulment is not adultery or any other kind of sin. So far I can’t convince him.
 
OP did not say she was talking about herself she posed a hypothetical situation, nor did she mention remarriage, she asked about dating. Advice such as this is given by the priest in confession, not over an internet forum, because what applies to one person or one couple does not necessarily apply to everyone.
True the OP did not say it was about herself, but she did state the specifics of the marriage.

“This will probably sound kind of bad…but** if a person’s marriage is found to be invalid and that person dates while they are going through a divorce (from a marriage that was performed at a courthouse)** are they considered to be committing adultery??”

Jim
 
every social encounter with a person of the opposite sex is not a date. OP said dating, and I think we have a pretty good idea what that means, even if of course no more intimate level of relationship is contemplated.
I know that every social encounter is not a date. My point was that one can go to dinner with someone of the opposite sex without it being a date but that dating itself is different. Perhaps I did not make that clear.
 
No I would never say that physical affairs start because one spouse does not meet the physical needs of another spouse. I will never be able to put emotions on the same level as sexual either. Do you realize that there are some people who are completely unable to have emotional discussions? But unfortunately most everyone can have sex. (you need a license to drive a car or teach kids but no license is needed for sex)

Am I the only person who sees the difference between a physical relationship and spiritual/emotional relationship with a friend? Wow do I see things different than you.

Terry
Terry,

In the case of an emotional affair, you seem to want to blame the “unresponsive” spouse. Am I understanding you to say that if a wife has an emotional affair with another man, it is a result of her husband’s inability to meet her emotional needs?

That is very similar to saying that if a husband has a physical affair with another woman, it is the result of his wife’s inability to meet his physical needs.

Seriously, if someone is sharing emotional parts of themselves to a level of intimacy that should be reserved for there spouse alone, then they are doing something gravely wrong. It is not “the same” as having a physical affair, but it can cause damage to the spousal relationship and sometimes leads to a physical affair.
 
First of all thank you for your response, I would love to have someone help me understand this “emotional affair” business. Some people would lead me to believe that sitting in a coworker’s office talking would constitute an “emotional affair”. If an emotional discussion means a great deal to me, that doesn’t meant that the other person is affected the same way that I am. They may have these types of discussions all of the time.
you seem to want to blame the “unresponsive” spouse
I don’t feel like I cast blame on the “unresponsive” spouse, but I feel very stongly that many people cast blame on the hurting spouse who needs emotional/spiritual support. This seems to be a way to make the “unresponsive” spouse become the “victim” and not have to address the problem at all. No one is perfect and we all have to admit that to ourselves.

I would have to say both spouses share the burden of this problem in a marriage. If I were to blame anyone, the blame would be based on how the couple works to resolve the problems that they are having. If one spouse will not work to resolve the problem - then that is the spouse who would carry the burden of blame. Whether it be the emotionally “unresponsive” spouse who will not try to grow and learn how to meet the emotional needs of their spouse or if its the sensitive “needy” spouse who would rather just go to a friend. In many cases, friends of the same sex can be just as damaging to a marriage as friends of the opposite sex.

The term Emotional affairs is very confusing to me, I think its a misleading pairing of words.

My first question is - what is a good friendship if its not an “emotional affair”? Whether my good friend is the same sex as me or not, friendships can be very emotional. Especially the closer that you become to that person. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. (I do understand how it could be hard on a marriage if a woman were to become closer to another man than she is to her husband. But does that mean that the husband doesn’t have to try to be closer to his wife? Wouldn’t that just be a symptom of a problem that the couple needs to work on?)

I have a hard time with this because I internalize things very much and so this “emotional affair” talk makes me afraid that I will be pulling married people into trouble - just by talking to them. Mainly I have one friend who I love to talk to and I don’t want to cause that person any problems.
Seriously, if someone is sharing emotional parts of themselves to a level of intimacy that should be reserved for there spouse alone, then they are doing something gravely wrong. It is not “the same” as having a physical affair, but it can cause damage to the spousal relationship and sometimes leads to a physical affair.
Where are these lines that call out “a level of intimacy that should be reserved for their spouse alone”? I don’t get that at all. How would people know what others share with their spouses? I have different types of conversations with about every different person that I talk to. What are they talking about that is sooo deadly to a marriage? (and give me some credit - I understand that flirting and sexual discussions are off limits 😉 )

Any light to shed on this for me??

Terry
 
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