Daughter coming out. What should I say?

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Right now I am thinking of saying to her, “As Catholics we don’t believe in premarrital sex. Admitting to the family of being a lesbian says you are having premarrital sex or at least plan to have premarrital sex. This is the cross you bare. It is not easy to be Catholic. It has not been easy for me to not sin. I strive to live by the faith. If I go to confession, I will be obsolved of my sin. If we tell the family, we can’t untell them. No matter what happens in your life they will see you as having had sexual relationships with women. I am not ready to reveal that to our family. You may be ready to reveal it, but I am sorry your mother and I are not”
There are many chaste homosexuals on this board. Telling people you are homosexual isn’t saying “I’m having sex”. It’s saying, “I’m attracted to members of my own gender”. It’s no different than telling someone you are straight - doesn’t mean you’re automatically having sex.

Prodigal_Son gave a good answer earlier about why your daughter might be wanting to come out - and that she wants to, or is, having sex wasn’t one of reasons. She doesn’t need to come out to have sex. If that is what she wants, then she’s already doing it.
“I love you and will always be there for you. I am not ashamed of y0ou” “I am proud of you”
She has made herself vulnerable to you by admitting this. Going by your reaction on here, she has spent the last decade hiding this from you. I can’t describe how stressful that is, especially for someone as young as your daughter. And now that she has opened herself up, you want to tell her to go back into hiding. Telling her she isn’t allowed to admit part of her, a part she feels she can’t change, is telling her you are ashamed of her.

Adding on “but I’m not ashamed of you”, doesn’t change what you have actually said and that you are ashamed of her.
She is an adult and her sex life should be private.
If your daughter came home one day and said “Dad, I’ve met a man. He’s wonderful for x y and z reasons. I’m really attracted to him. He might be the one”, would she be telling you about her sex life? Or giving you a heads up, that later down the track, she might bring this man home to meet you? If a heterosexual talking about who they are attracted to isn’t talking about their sex life, then homosexuals doing the same isn’t talking about their sex life either.

I find it quite strange that you are even going there. You are her father. I assure you, she doesn’t want to talk to you about her sex life. Nor does she want you thinking about her sex life. That is the last reason she is bringing this up.
 
I think all you can do is download make sure she knows you’re there for her. Trying to tell her she is being led astray by Satan, committing a sin, confused, or anything like we’ll just push her away. God made us all the way we are for a reason. Whether we view it as good or bad is irrelevant. There is a reason for it that we do not and cannot comprehend. I do hope everything goes well for her coming out to your family. She will be in my thoughts.

Best Wishes,
Thomas
 
As a man who is attracted to other men, let me answer the bolded portion. She wants to tell everyone because she feels like she has been hiding this FOREVER, and she’s sick of the shame. Other people are allowed to talk about having crushes, or finding people attractive, or such, but she isn’t. Her affections – which she is not to blame for – cause scandal even by speaking of them.

That’s hard. You shouldn’t underestimate how hard that is for her.

The way you can help her in this is to make “being gay” a nonissue. It does not matter that she calls herself gay. That’s what it means to treat homosexual people with compassion and sensitivity, as the Catechism instructs us. As for homosexual activity, that is wrong, and she knows you believe it is wrong. But she’s not in danger of forgetting that, and frequent reminders won’t help. You might have to draw boundaries of speech or action with her, but she must always be allowed to call herself gay.

She needs unconditional love. Period. When she feels loved, she will be more likely to make herself vulnerable to you – and THEN real healing and real growth can occur.

It might take years, or decades. Wait it out. Pray. Trust.

Don’t be afraid. Let me know if there’s anything else I can help you with.
This was the BEST advice on here!! 👍
 
Please read that paragraph back to yourself. You keep saying “I want”. But this is not about what you want, not even about what you want for her. She is an adult. She will talk about herself however she likes to, and you have no place to criticize her unless she is saying or doing something sinful. Calling herself gay may be helpful or unhelpful, but it is not sinful.

When she calls herself gay, that makes you feel uncomfortable. Pray about that. Your discomfort with her deeply, deeply affects her. She is hurting. She needs a safe place where she can say, “But Dad, I want this so bad!” without feeling your condemnation. She needs her feelings validated.

Do not validate her actions. But do accept her as your dear and wonderful daughter. You are not going to counsel her through this. Somebody might do that, but you won’t. Your role is to pray, to love, to comfort, and to draw boundaries, if necessary.

There are certainly lesbians who do not have sex. Eve Tushnet is one – a chaste lesbian Catholic. patheos.com/blogs/evetushnet

As for not being able to untell things, there are tons of young people who have had sexual relationships that, in one way or another (perhaps pregnancy), get found out by the family. This case is no different. Your daughter should be quite clear on what she’s getting into, when she “outs” herself. But it’s her decision. You may advise, but you may not tell her what to do.

See now, I don’t see how this second claim can be true. *Aren’t *you ashamed of her? When people do shameful things and then publicize them – I’m going on your assumption she’s not chaste – we become ashamed of them. I think that you need to be absolutely sure, though, that your actions toward her aren’t motivated by that shame.
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There are many chaste homosexuals on this board. Telling people you are homosexual isn’t saying “I’m having sex”. It’s saying, “I’m attracted to members of my own gender”. It’s no different than telling someone you are straight - doesn’t mean you’re automatically having sex.

Prodigal_Son gave a good answer earlier about why your daughter might be wanting to come out - and that she wants to, or is, having sex wasn’t one of reasons. She doesn’t need to come out to have sex. If that is what she wants, then she’s already doing it.

She has made herself vulnerable to you by admitting this. Going by your reaction on here, she has spent the last decade hiding this from you. I can’t describe how stressful that is, especially for someone as young as your daughter. And now that she has opened herself up, you want to tell her to go back into hiding. Telling her she isn’t allowed to admit part of her, a part she feels she can’t change, is telling her you are ashamed of her.

Adding on “but I’m not ashamed of you”, doesn’t change what you have actually said and that you are ashamed of her.

If your daughter came home one day and said “Dad, I’ve met a man. He’s wonderful for x y and z reasons. I’m really attracted to him. He might be the one”, would she be telling you about her sex life? Or giving you a heads up, that later down the track, she might bring this man home to meet you? If a heterosexual talking about who they are attracted to isn’t talking about their sex life, then homosexuals doing the same isn’t talking about their sex life either.

I find it quite strange that you are even going there. You are her father. I assure you, she doesn’t want to talk to you about her sex life. Nor does she want you thinking about her sex life. That is the last reason she is bringing this up.
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I also wish to say that Prodigal_Son’s advice is excellent.

A close friend of mine came out to her mother when she was eighteen or nineteen. Her mother threw her out of the family home. She arrived on her girlfriend’s doorstep with a change of clothes and a cassette player. It took more than five years before my friend and her mother had any sort of relationship.

I hope that you can accept, support and continue to love your daughter and so avoid the separation that my friend and her mother endured for so long.
 
St Augustine

“Those foul offenses that are against nature should be everywhere and at all times detested and punished, such as were those of the people of Sodom, which should all nations commit, they should all stand guilty of the same crime, by the law of God which hath not so made men that they should so abuse one another. For even that very intercourse which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature, of which He is the Author, is polluted by the perversity of lust.”

Catechism

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

You must pray pray pray.

God didn’t make her that way it is a choice if God made her that way she would have no sin and would be allowed to continue with her girlfriends as it would be natualr for her
 
From pastor John Pavlovitz::

Sometimes I wonder if I’ll have gay children.

I’m not sure if other parents think about this, but I do; quite often.

Maybe it’s because I have many gay people in my family and circle of friends. It’s in my genes and in my tribe.
Maybe it’s because, as a pastor of students, I’ve seen and heard the horror stories of gay Christian kids, from both inside and outside of the closet, trying to be part of the Church.
Maybe it’s because, as a Christian, I interact with so many people who find homosexuality to be the most repulsive thing imaginable, and who make that abundantly clear at every conceivable opportunity.

For whatever reason, it’s something that I ponder frequently. As a pastor and a parent, I wanted to make some promises to you, and to my two kids right now…

If I have gay children, you’ll all know it.

My children won’t be our family’s best kept secret.

I won’t talk around them in conversations with others. I won’t speak in code or vague language. I won’t try to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes, and I won’t try to spare the feelings of those who may be older, or easily offended, or uncomfortable. Childhood is difficult enough, and most gay kids spend their entire existence being horribly, excruciatingly uncomfortable. I’m not going to put mine through any more unnecessary discomfort, just to make Thanksgiving dinner a little easier for a third cousin with misplaced anger issues.

If my children come out, we’ll be out as a family.

If I have gay children, I’ll pray for them.

I won’t pray for them to be made “normal”. I’ve lived long enough to know that if my children are gay, that is their normal.

I won’t pray that God will heal or change or fix them. I will pray for God to protect them; from the ignorance and hatred and violence that the world will throw at them, simply because of who they are. I’ll pray that He shields them from those who will despise them and wish them harm; who will curse them to Hell and put them through Hell, without ever knowing them at all. I’ll pray that they enjoy life; that they laugh, and dream, and feel, and forgive, and that they love God and humanity.

Above all, I’ll pray to God that my children won’t allow the unGodly treatment they might receive from some of His misguided children, to keep them from pursuing Him.

If I have gay children, I’ll love them.

I don’t mean some token, distant, tolerant love that stays at a safe arm’s length. It will be an extravagant, open-hearted, unapologetic, lavish, embarrassing-them-in-the-school cafeteria, kind of love.

I won’t love them despite their sexuality, and I won’t love them because of it. I will love them; simply because they’re sweet, and funny, and caring, and smart, and kind, and stubborn, and flawed, and original, and beautiful… and mine.

If my kids are gay, they may doubt a million things about themselves and about this world, but they’ll never doubt for a second whether or not their Daddy is over-the-moon crazy about them.

If I have gay children, most likely; I have gay children.

If my kids are going to be gay, well they pretty much already are.

God has already created them and wired them, and placed the seed of who they are within them. Psalm 139 says that He, “stitched them together in their mother’s womb”. The incredibly intricate stuff that makes them uniquely them; once-in-History souls, has already been uploaded into their very cells.

Because of that, there isn’t a coming deadline on their sexuality that their mother and I are working feverishly toward. I don’t believe there’s some magical expiration date approaching, by which time she and I need to somehow do, or say, or pray just the right things to get them to “turn straight”, or forever lose them to the other side.

They are today, simply a younger version of who they will be; and today they’re pretty darn great.

Many of you may be offended by all of this, I fully realize. I know this may be especially true if you are a religious person; one who finds the whole topic disgusting.

As you’ve been reading, you may have been rolling your eyes, or clicking the roof of your mouth, or drafting familiar Scriptures to send me, or praying for me to repent, or preparing to Unfriend me, or writing me off as a sinful, evil, Hell-bound heretic… but with as much gentleness and understanding as I can muster; I really couldn’t care less.

This isn’t about you. This is a whole lot bigger than you.

You’re not the one I waited on breathlessly for nine months.
You’re not the one I wept with joy for when you were born.
You’re not the one I bathed, and fed, and rocked to sleep through a hundred intimate, midnight snuggle sessions.

You’re not the one I taught to ride a bike, and whose scraped knee I kissed, and whose tiny, trembling hand I held, while getting stitches.
You’re not the one whose head I love to smell, and whose face lights-up when I come home at night, and whose laughter is like music to my weary soul.
You’re not the one who gives my days meaning and purpose, and who I adore more than I ever thought I could adore anything.

And you’re not the one who I’ll hopefully be with, when I take my last precious breaths on this planet; gratefully looking back on a lifetime of shared treasures, and resting in the knowledge that I loved you well.

If you’re a parent, I don’t know how you’ll respond if you find out your children are gay, but I pray you consider it.

One day, despite your perceptions of your kids or how you’ve parented, you may need to respond in real-time, to a frightened, frantic, hurting child; one whose sense of peace, and identity, and acceptance; whose very heart, may be placed in your hands in a way you never imagined… and you’ll need to respond.

If that day should ever come for me; if my children should ever come out to me, this is the Dad I hope I’ll be to them.
 
As a church we need to take a pause at the part of the Catechism that calls for sensitivity and compassion. We haven’t spent enough time and presence there and it has done alot of damage.
 
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