Day Star

[santaro75]

I was watching Day Star this morning for a couple of hours and i noticed that so much of the messages that the evangelists are preaching revolves around how to gain Gods favor and blessing in your life.

It oddly sounds like meritoriuos actions to me.

The attitude is very differant from Catholic christianity in that the Catholic church seems to always stress that we are to do things for God. Do God’s will for God expecting no material gain.

These preachers seem to be telling their congregations what to do to get God to do things for them. That God will make this life blessed and make you rich! He will hook you up with cars and houses!

it is ME-ME-ME-Christianity!

anyone else feel this way?

ps. i have also watched preachers that say good things that have helped me as well.

 

[happygal]

I was watching Day Star this morning for a couple of hours and i noticed that so much of the messages that the evangelists are preaching revolves around how to gain Gods favor and blessing in your life.

**Santaro

You don’t do thing to gain favor from God, and if uur intention at heart was just for the seek of gaining favor, do you think God will bless you?? Of course not, humble are those who gets this blessing and not the opposite**

It oddly sounds like meritoriuos actions to me.

The attitude is very differant from Catholic christianity in that the Catholic church seems to always stress that we are to do things for God. Do God’s will for God expecting no material gain.

Oh my question will be since Catholic do things for God, then why majority Catholic don’t tithe? (at least of all the Catholic i know don’t tithe, coz they complain they pay are low) Since God expect no material gain but as you mentioned Catholic do it for God, isn’t it very straight forward that what we have now all belongs to God, so what is the hinder of giving our monthly income back to him? You can say you folks do thing for God, like wise it goes same for the protestant as well

These preachers seem to be telling their congregations what to do to get God to do things for them. That God will make this life blessed and make you rich! He will hook you up with cars and houses!

As mentioned if your intention wasn’t right in the lst place, then don’t expect anything from God, God will not bless greedy pple, he give his material blessing to us is not for nothing, coz he wanted us to help others who are less fortunate then us

it is ME-ME-ME-Christianity!

anyone else feel this way?

ps. i have also watched preachers that say good things that have helped me as well.

 

[amills]

I have a problem with the evangelical concept of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ that is presented.

In every personal relationship that I have I have obligations - my husband has certain expections of me in that relationship, I have certain obligations to my children, I feel a sense of responsibility to my friends, etc. Catholics teach that we have responsiblities in our personal relationship with Jesus Christ - attending church, good works etc. All of these are part of our relationship with Jesus Christ.

However, my understanding of the evangelical personal relationship is that they profess to love Jesus but no works or any other obligations are imposed upon them in that relationship. To me that does not make sense. I don’t see how it can be called a personal relationship.

I then would have to agree with you on the me, me, me Chistianity that is taught. However, I am thankful that many evangelicals do not strickly follow that concept in practice.

 

[Della]

happygal:

Oh my question will be since Catholic do things for God, then why majority Catholic don’t tithe? (at least of all the Catholic i know don’t tithe, coz they complain they pay are low) Since God expect no material gain but as you mentioned Catholic do it for God, isn’t it very straight forward that what we have now all belongs to God, so what is the hinder of giving our monthly income back to him? You can say you folks do thing for God, like wise it goes same for the protestant as well

Catholics are not required to tithe, as tithing is an OT concept. You have it right when you say that “what we have now all belongs to God.” Tithing is giving 10%, but Catholics are expected to give more than mere money or 10%, but all they have. That means they give money as they believe they should, their time and talent, as they believe they should, and are to be giving themselves over to God at all times.

This sensibility isn’t limited to Catholics, however. There are many Protestants who also live by this understanding, however not all Catholics seem to understand it or practice it, as many Protestants also neglect to give all they are to God.

As to tithing, the Incarnation changed everything. There is no longer a Temple in Jerusalem nor animal sacrifice or tithing demanded, instead we belong to God totally and so owe him all we have and are for him to use as he sees fit.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Catholics are not required to tithe, as tithing is an OT concept. You have it right when you say that “what we have now all belongs to God.” Tithing is giving 10%, but Catholics are expected to give more than mere money or 10%, but all they have. That means they give money as they believe they should, their time and talent, as they believe they should, and are to be giving themselves over to God at all times.

This sensibility isn’t limited to Catholics, however. There are many Protestants who also live by this understanding, however not all Catholics seem to understand it or practice it, as many Protestants also neglect to give all they are to God.

As to tithing, the Incarnation changed everything. There is no longer a Temple in Jerusalem nor animal sacrifice or tithing demanded, instead we belong to God totally and so owe him all we have and are for him to use as he sees fit.

Hi,
I agree . I give money to the church but I cant tithe because my husband wont let me. He doesnt agree with tithing and he is also not a believer so why would he believe. Because I am not allowed to tithe I give much of my time to ministries within the church. I actually run a homeless ministry within my church that my husband was ok with. I think whatever you do for the Glory of God is giving back to Him.

 

[happygal]

**Hi Della

I understand Catholic don’t tithe, but you might want to read this up a Philosophy and Principles of Tithing
according to the Rule of St. Michael

saint-mike.org/library/Rule/Excerpts/Principles_Tithing.html

Pope John II empahsize the necessarities to tithe there. Although tithing message are not preach during Mass. I believe what the Pope said is absolutely correct he hope that those who truly seek God will give happy from their heart without any message necessary to faciliate tithing. Coz it is pretty natural for pple who love God to tithe automatically, no need to be ask.

Protestant are encourage to tithe 10% monthly, and by norm all protestant tithe (at least i would say in my country only a small handful of them don’t tithe, the rest tithe faithfully) on top of the 10%, we give offering and other fund for charity on a monthly basis, thus we contributed around 11% or more from our paycheck to God. God does not need our money, but he don’t provide $$ to us for nothing, he wanted us to understand if he bless us with $$ ,in return is for us to bless others of what we receive from him!!! I agree with you, beside $$, he also give us talent to help others as well. That is where the ministry step in, we are to use our talent to serve others.

Thus i always encourage Catholics or those protestant (who dont tithe) to start their titheing becoz of those reason stated in the website, coz in time to comes they will experience wonders that God do in their life!!! In fact i asked God to give me a permanent job at a specific pay to start my tithe (coz i have being working temporary jobs for years) and gosh my prayer was answered and now i can give back to God !!! Isn’t it great!!!
**

 

[happygal]

Hi,
I agree . I give money to the church but I cant tithe because my husband wont let me. He doesnt agree with tithing and he is also not a believer so why would he believe. Because I am not allowed to tithe I give much of my time to ministries within the church. I actually run a homeless ministry within my church that my husband was ok with. I think whatever you do for the Glory of God is giving back to Him.

Hi ALLFORHIM

I understand you situation , coz it happened to others as well, so what normally we do is pray for his forgiveness and pray that the hinder will be halt for us to start our giving again.

Your situation is almost the same as me. My mum a non believer scolded me being a foolish gal to tithe, she don’t understand the purpose of tithing i don’t blame her, thus i tithe secretly without telling her and try to ensure that i give her monthly allowance to be on path with what i give to the church, thus in future even if she found out i tithe, she cannot scold me for i give the her same amount as to what i give to church!!!

 

[artist3189]

I was watching Day Star this morning for a couple of hours and i noticed that so much of the messages that the evangelists are preaching revolves around how to gain Gods favor and blessing in your life.

It oddly sounds like meritoriuos actions to me.

These preachers seem to be telling their congregations what to do to get God to do things for them. That God will make this life blessed and make you rich! He will hook you up with cars and houses!

it is ME-ME-ME-Christianity!

anyone else feel this way?

Back to the subject, read below, you are not wrong at all, the new Pentecostal movement, the re-writing of the Gospels is in full swing, especially in the mega-church phenomenon. It is the Gospel of Me. The Word of Faith movement spread by men like Kenneth Copland and many others is exactly about what you spoke. If you are ‘right’ in the sprit, and give your time and money, your EARTHLY REWARD will be in proportion to your standing with Jesus. Money, success, health, whatever you need can be obtained NOW, if you do the right things. This is the reality, read more about this and then watch many of the TV evangelist. The approach now is, GOD doesn’t want you to fail, or be sick or be poor, if you follow OUR plan, if you dedicate everything to Jesus, your money, all your spiritual self, your time, etc, then he WILL REPAY YOU NOW, just follow the plan laid out by (fill in the name of the church and minister here) and watch the miracles flow and flow and flow. Sounds New Age, because it is. These new churches have no connection with Church history, no understanding of the history of Spiritual Authority, no understanding of Apostolic Succession, they are not bound by any rational understanding of the historical Church, they are free to do whatever they choose, say whatever they choose, promise whatever they choose, interpret the Bible whatever fits, conduct themselves in whatever works best. It is theatrical, emotional and full of false hopes.

Wikipedia…Word of Faith, also known as Word-Faith or simply Faith, is a movement within Pentecostal and charismatic churches worldwide. Its central doctrine is that health and prosperity are promised to all believers, and are available through faith. For this reason, it has also become known as Health and Wealth and The Gospel of Greed, although these are terms usually applied pejoratively by its critics. Other names, reflecting major aspects of the movement, include Name it and claim it, The Prosperity Gospel, and Positive Confession.