The original unedited Creed as handed down would make things a whole lot simpler.
Hate to tell you this but what the Nicene fathers wrote had neither the Filioque nor the phrase “God from God.”
When I recite the Creed every Sunday, I do not recite “God from God”. My parish uses an English translation of the Creed from Slavonic, which was translated from the original Greek. The Latin additions are absent.
Thank you Archpriest Morris!
rolleyes.I stand corrected
.Unless y’all are still using the Msgr. Levkulic editions, the Ruthenian current text is translated directly (but by dynamic equivalence) from the Greek.
O RLY? I was under the impression that our liturgy was translated from Slavonic. I stand corrected.
The problem though is we have been trying to solve this for the past 1000 years without any success. If we are willing to unite with the Catholics there has to be something from us (the Orthodox) if this is to be resolved. The point I was making was instead of looking at words which the Orthodox have done this past 1000 years why don’t we use another approach. If we are going to wait until Rome obeys to the letter these Ecumenical council decisions we may have another 1000 years of waiting. When we put words ahead of flesh and blood then may be God is looking more at us rather than to Rome. Since Rome has a great deal of Saints since this unfortunate split this tells us that God is with her and it would be better if we talk to Rome without these disagreements on the table at least in our first encounters with Catholics. If the Orthodox are right about this then it must be our action to at least forget for awhile what happened in the past so we can make contacts with our brothers and sisters who have the same apostolic faith as ours. It is useless to argue about things until it matters to them. So the next best solution is for us Orthodox to lower our guard so that we would be able to talk to them on their level. This is how friendships and mutual understandings will eventually lead to other discussions. You have the right to disagree with me but I don’t want to wait another 1000 years until something is done. I think it is partly our fault for believing in too much the legal requirements of those Ecumenical Councils when Catholics today hardly know about them. So let us bend a bit to give these brothers and sisters of Rome our willingness to share something that would transmit into more mutual understanding and fellowship. That is how we can heal this.
May the Lord Jesus bless us all.
“Lower our guard” ??
You speak as if these things don’t matter. What form would this unity take? Inter-communion is the end result of unity, not the beginning.
I think that the Roman Catholic Church would agree with the Eastern Orthodox position that agreement on doctrine and dogma is a precondition to Communion. Otherwise, such a union means that doctrine does not matter. Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism believe that doctrine does matter.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Father. Doctrine cast aside in order to attain unity would be a grave error.
Of course these things matter, they matter greatly, I didn’t say that they don’t. I am asking is it possible that in this these cases, unity matters more? Is unity itself not a doctrine? Do we both not say I believe In one holy catholic and apostolic Church?
You still don’t understand. Jesus bends when He comes to us. He is ever so Perfect and without sin yet He still communicates to us at our level so that hopefully you will get to His level. If the Orthodox are correct and I know they are than it is more right for us to imitate our Lord Jesus when dealing with people who have not a clue what those decisions from the past Ecumenical decisions had meant for the Orthodox Church. What I was trying to say is make friends with them first and once mutual friendship and fellowship exists than other important issues just as you mentioned can be easily discussed.
