Decedent's appearance to some

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Do you believe, that some can see deceased?

A woman claimed to be in the state to call upon decedent. She says that she actually then sees the deceased person as she’d see you and me; and she talks to the deceased person. There are quite a few such “mediums”.
Fact is, that after such “meeting” she told the police where the body of the missing and murdered person lays, and the Police finally found the corps.

We all have heard of similar cases. Of course the whole “thing” is extremely doubtful. Moreover so, it’s everybody’s private decision to believe such rather peculiar thing or not. It’s neither dogma nor part of Christian belief.

There is no doubt, that Saints really appeared to selected people. Such as the little Boy Alessandro saw St. Pallotti almost 50 years after Pallotti had died - even though he didn’t know him:
>St. Pallotti, died in 1850 and appeared the 9 years old boy Alessandro Lutri who 1898 in Rome fell 18m deep on stone and was about to die. Next morning when his mom arrived to see her dying little son in hospital, Alessandro sat absolutely healed, happily on his bed, around him the bloody bandages. The little boy described to the baffled hospital staff and his mom, that a priest he had never seen before was in the room and spoke to him. They showed Alessandro a picture of the Saint, and the Boy enthusiastically nodded and said yes, it was him who was here tonight. It was Pallotti, his mom had asked in petitionary prayer for help so often before and now in her anxiety about her little son. - - - At Pallotti’s beatification 22nd of. Jan. 1950 Alessandro Lutri was present. 1963 Pallotti was canonized by Pope John XXIII.<

But I wonder and I dare to doubt if “normal people” once they saw God after their death, will be allowed and enabled to (visibly by us) see people on earth. Sure they see us, but we don’t see them. We are simply not allowed to see deceased once they have seen God; once they are in heaven. If this would be “common” that we can see deceased and talk to them, then the whole earth as place for probation would be redundant, for all would believe anyhow.

But some seem to be chosen… We obviously are not chosen to get close contact with deceased, for we have to acquire our belief ourselves without such proves like the appearance of deceased 😉

However. One thing we all do believe: That all who died, now live more consciously than we do. Nobody would deny that Dismas, the crucified thief on the right of Jesus’ cross is alive just as any deceased is. Nobody is ever dead. Whoever died is alive - either in heaven or “elsewhere”.

In the Bible are quite a few mentions and and testimonials of supernatural experiences after Jesus Ascension to heaven. Not only Pentecost, but also some the Apostles experienced, such as Paul when Jesus spoke to him in Acts 9,4 - or when Paul knew about a decedent in 2Cor 12,2.

Yours
Bruno
 
I don’t believe anyone can see deceased people at will in that way like that. If they see anything they are seeing familiar spirits appearing as deceased people. They are dabbling in supernatural forces that they should not be fooling with.
 
I think that there are people in society that are gifted in many different ways. Just like there are gifted musicians, artists, poets, mathematicians, and scientists; there are also those who are able to perceive the spiritual realm. Some see visions of it, others hear voices, and others feel, sense, smell, or otherwise simply know information and they cannot explain why.

Western society has moved further and further away from the supernatural over the past few centuries. Whereas before people might have believed in ghosts even though very few could see them, now we place our faith in scientists even though very few people can run the experiments or make the calculations to authenticate what Science claims. Many of those who do claim to be able to communicate with the dead are charlatans, simply because so few people can verify whether they are telling the truth or not. But lack of integrity can cause serious problems in any specialized field, when most people do not understand it. For instance, I wouldn’t know how to pick a priceless painting from a cheap copy. We have to be able to trust those who know art, and there has to be a system in place where those who know what to look for can all agree upon what something is worth. Within reason, of course. There’s always going to be a difference between what one person thinks to another. But those with the proper skills can tell a fake from the real.
 
Someone who advance and improve in morality by worships and discipline flesh may se deceased people in a sort of dream. That happened many times and also happens. There are thousands of examples that occured in true life.

Deceased people can see or hear alives sometimes bot not allways. And deceasesd people can see angels but can not see God. God will show himself to people who are in heaven.

This topic can be profit by experience.
 
Someone who advance and improve in morality by worships and discipline flesh may se deceased people in a sort of dream. That happened many times and also happens. There are thousands of examples that occured in true life.

Deceased people can see or hear alives sometimes bot not allways. And deceasesd people can see angels but can not see God. God will show himself to people who are in heaven.

This topic can be profit by experience.
I have seen my daughter, three times, one in particular on October 23, 2011. My spiritual director, Fr. Bill, says that God does give this beautiful gift to some for His own Purpose. I do not at all agree that mediums or such should be consulted for any purpose whatever. We are not supposed to actively solicit contact with the deceased. Seances and such are demonic, they invite demonic activity. I do believe apparitions take place in waking states, I have had one, but it was very scary, it felt like a hallucination (but was not). I would say, if one has lost a beloved person in the flesh, that person might pray and ask for the great gift of a “visit”. Then it’s up to God.
 
I would say that my ability to hear the “dead” came as an overflow of my intense desire to hear and obey the Voice of God. I’ve lost track of when it started to happen, but I may have spent 15-20 years working on perfecting my ability to hear God before any deceased people ever spoke to me.

I really don’t know what to do with it. There are some very strict rules in the Bible against being a medium, and seeking the dead for answers instead of seeking God. In fact, there are some rather strict rules I personally experience between myself and those I encounter in the spirit realm. I am not allowed to ask them very many questions. I am a very curious person concerning spiritual things, and have violated this principle before and was put on communication restriction for some time. 🙂

I have seen some good come from it though. Not in the typical sense, where they lead you to the missing safety deposit box key or solve the murder case. But in the fact that people are people. And when we have personal issues between us these are best dealt with person to person. Some say that we should never seek the dead out for anything, but when it comes to resolving personal issues there is nothing like an “I’m sorry, I was stupid in life and didn’t know how that would affect you” to fix the problem.

The Second Commandment is that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. Years and years of prayer might fix an issue we hold in our hearts that we have with another living human being. Yet two minutes of talking with that person can open up the door for forgiveness and understanding in a way that God Himself seems to be unable or unwilling to do. Talking with “the dead” opens up doors for forgiveness and resolution that most people are excluded from. So like I said, I really don’t know what to do with this gift.

Some say that all communication with “the dead” is sin. Some even go on to say that “the dead” are all asleep, so the only contact we have is with demons pretending to be deceased loved ones. I think though that these opinions are built more off of superstition than they are the Bible. I can find no passage that says we are not allowed to talk to the saints in heaven. I think the more common problem is that we are not all equipped and/or trained in how to carry on that kind of communication.
 
Hallucinations only show us what we know or at least imagine anyhow. This boy didn’t know that Priest who long ago had died. The docs showed the 9-year old boy after his description of the visitor, a picture of that Priest and the boy enthusiastically shouted YES - IT WAS HIM - WHERE IS HE
but Pallotti had died almost 50 years before that.
Oh, certainly Pallotti had been there in this hospital room and healed and spoke to Alessandro who then as an adult attended the beatification of St. Pallotti in Rome.
But I won’t fight for this, since it’s not a Christian Dogma one has to believe.

Yours
Bruno
 
I would say that my ability to hear the “dead” came as an overflow of my intense desire to hear and obey the Voice of God. I’ve lost track of when it started to happen, but I may have spent 15-20 years working on perfecting my ability to hear God before any deceased people ever spoke to me.

The Second Commandment is that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. Years and years of prayer might fix an issue we hold in our hearts that we have with another living human being. Yet two minutes of talking with that person can open up the door for forgiveness and understanding in a way that God Himself seems to be unable or unwilling to do. Talking with “the dead” opens up doors for forgiveness and resolution that most people are excluded from. So like I said, I really don’t know what to do with this gift.

Some say that all communication with “the dead” is sin. Some even go on to say that “the dead” are all asleep, so the only contact we have is with demons pretending to be deceased loved ones. I think though that these opinions are built more off of superstition than they are the Bible. I can find no passage that says we are not allowed to talk to the saints in heaven. I think the more common problem is that we are not all equipped and/or trained in how to carry on that kind of communication.
Well, this is quite intriguing seeing as I had a “close encounter” (unsolicited) back in the late 1990s and got “information” from someone who had passed on to give to his brother with whom I was communicating in an IM chat window. I also got a HUGE STOP sign, so I never, ever did that again. About God Himself seems to be unable or unwilling…I respectfully disagree. He has allowed my daughter to visit me several times because my grief and my overwhelming need to take responsibility for what happened is affecting His ability to communicate to me what He wants from me now and for the rest of my life, since I have consecrated myself to Him fully (after a lifetime of “talking” to Him and getting real answers, some people would say we were mentally ill, you know.)

The dead certainly are not “asleep” but yes I have heard this, there are some Christian sects that believe this (I’m unsure about Judaism). I disagree that we are not all “equipped” with the ability to talk to, and get answers from, saints, God, Our Blessed Mother. But I do strongly agree that most of us cannot. I think society does its best to stamp out any forum of what might appear “abnormal”, “psychotic”, “supernatural”, etc. So, as with any gift (such as being a concert pianist), one must “exercise” it and fine tune it and all the time praying it is in God’s will and that He is not displeased. I ask Him every day to keep my feet on the straight and narrow path and to please, please let me know I’m in His Will and Purpose. And yes, He does answer. I don’t “hear” him with my ears, I don’t have to. You most likely understand what I mean: the hearing is interior and is not hallucinatory; it is also experiential and can be subtle so we keep our eyes open all the time. :o)
 
Lol. Imagine a society where people who don’t believe in God are considered crazy, and instead those who have visions and can hear “voices” are given a place of honor like the scientists have today. Nobody would ever dream of giving us drugs to try to block the “voices”, and damage the heroes of society, would they? They might however consider giving I.Q. destroying drugs to partially lobotomize the atheists who are “too smart” to believe in God. 👍 I bet it would work too!

People come in all shapes and sizes. It’s a shame that some human talents are despised, while others are accepted no matter how much they interrupt the person’s ability to function normally in society.
 
About God Himself seems to be unable or unwilling…I respectfully disagree. He has allowed my daughter to visit me several times because my grief and my overwhelming need to take responsibility for what happened is affecting His ability to communicate to me what He wants from me now and for the rest of my life, since I have consecrated myself to Him fully (after a lifetime of “talking” to Him and getting real answers, some people would say we were mentally ill, you know.)
The prevailing argument that I have encountered is that we should speak to God alone, and there is no reason whatsoever for us to talk with people who have died physically. But speaking to God alone does not resolve issues between one human to another.

You actually are supporting my position (not disagreeing with me) in telling how God brought your daughter to you and let you guys work out your issues. Instead of doing it alone, He took the most logical step in allowing you two to communicate.

The Bible teaches several examples where our relationship with God is blocked by an issue with other people. If we cannot forgive our brothers, God cannot forgive us. So how do we resolve these issues once our “brother” is dead? Often the blockage between ourselves and God is not fixed until we make peace with our brother. 🙂
 
Some members of my family including myself have indeed had ‘enriching experiences’ with ‘the dead’, but like others on this thread I would caution attempting to ‘initiate’ a link. It should be left to God and the souls whether or not to ‘connect’ with you. Even then always pray for discernment in such matters.
 
It should be left to God and the souls whether or not to ‘connect’ with you
Surely no living person ever is enabled visibly or acoustically to communicate with any decedent, if the person in heaven is not allowed to by God, nor wants to. It takes God’s permission and will; as well as a necessity God only decides, to let any such contact happen on earth.

A very much other thing is, if the person now living in heaven, is send by God - which we have with many Saints throughout the biblical as well as modern history. It simply happened very often.
Great humbug however are “seances”, where “mediums” simply call people who had died. The decendent are not our slaves! They are God’s own; always have been God’s property - because they asked to be God’s own and did all to be God’s own in their lifetime.
Not only humbug, but tempting God and as such a sin, would be to call a decedent whenever we desire to see that person; sin to ask a decedent to appear or answer. Though the appearance of decedent obviously often happened. God then send a person who lives with God in heaven.
Absolutely impossible is, that a person living in hell should ever appear. They remain “shut off”.
Saul in 1 Samuel 28:6-20 could not have spoken to this or any person if God hadn’t allowed it - though Saul’s desire to speak to the Samuel, was sinful. Surely Samuel had God’s very personal admission to appear and talk to Saul. Same with Pallotti and the many others that appeared to worldly alive persons.
Let’s remember: The little boy Alessandro didn’t call Pallotti. He didn’t even know nor ever heard of him. But the boy’s mother asked Pallotti (who died long before that) for help in her prayers.
This never was a “visual hallucination” - can’t have been, because the boy didn’t know the Priest Pallotti (founder of the order of the Palloitines) before. Hallucinations only show us what we know or at least what we imagine anyhow. Alessando did neither. The amazed docs showed the totally healed boy after his lively description a picture of that priest and the boy enthusiastically shouted
YES - IT WAS HIM! - WHERE IS HE?
but Pallotti had died almost 50 years before his very visible appearance in the clinic-room of that dying 9-year old, who then was as vitally alive as before, after Pallotti had been there and healed and spoke to Alessandro who decades later as an adult attended the beatification of St. Pallotti in Rome.

But it’s ever so clear, that we all are immortal, and nobody ever will be dead! Not even these in hell are. But they have no real life in them, which the heavenly people do own. All who lived in Jesus Christ will live in even more intensity than now here on earth, as Jesus promised. Let’s live in this thrill of anticipation.

Yours
Bruno
 
BrunoMaria - Thanks for taking part of my post out of it’s contextual whole.
 
Lol. Imagine a society where people who don’t believe in God are considered crazy, and instead those who have visions and can hear “voices” are given a place of honor like the scientists have today. Nobody would ever dream of giving us drugs to try to block the “voices”, and damage the heroes of society, would they? They might however consider giving I.Q. destroying drugs to partially lobotomize the atheists who are “too smart” to believe in God. 👍 I bet it would work too!

People come in all shapes and sizes. It’s a shame that some human talents are despised, while others are accepted no matter how much they interrupt the person’s ability to function normally in society.
Well, there are “visions” and “Hearing voices” that are certainly not mentally healthy and cause torment - mental illness is not a gift, it is a crown of thorns. And then, there are people (such as we know has happened to many Saints, none of whom seem to have suffered debilitating mental illness) who do see (sometimes literally) and hear (internally, but sometimes literally, happened to me just once) and then “test the spirits” as we are told because we know Satan can communicate in this way (and does.) The drugs to which you refer can be (in their side effects) debilitating in a way different from the illness they treat. But, when a person is in torment, anything that relieves that torment is welcome. I know of one young man who was so badly ill he had been hospitalized in a mental institution by his very loving parents who were at the end of their rope. (Believe me, living with your only child who is literally losing his/her mind is hell). This young man was then taken on by a world renowned expert in psycho-pharmacology and given a drug that can have deadly side effects - but the drug WORKED. It brought their son back to them, until he succumbed to its side effects.

St. Faustina: now, was she schizophrenic? Her need to keep that diary has a psychiatric term, you know, and is a symptom of schizophrenia. Do we know? No, we do not. Can God use mental illness? You bet He can, He can use anything, no matter how horrible.

My daughter fell into a very unhealthy relationship online with a schizophrenic in the state of Washington who said she (that woman, in her 30s) “talked to Jesus” and He answered her. The effect on my daughter was to seriously worsen her illness (although it most likely would have worsened anyway) because she got involved in all sorts of “stuff” and fed her delusion. Mental illness does destroy the brain and I.Q., all by itself. It is a degenerative disease affecting neural synapses and brain chemistry.

So, those of us who are close to God (or are trying to be very, very hard) can be called “eccentric” (and, we are), “weird”, “sick in the head”, and all sorts of things. The test is how we live our lives. If one can function in the world and yet has these “visions” and consistent communication from God (and I’ve heard stories that would amaze and delight you as well as having had these things happen to ME!), then one is not mentally ill. I’ve been psychoanalyzed to death, I am not mentally ill. I have no personality disorder or emotional disability other than the complex PTSD caused by the trauma of losing my daughter. Yes. Some can, some do, communicate with God. We are advised to “stay in prayer always” and, when you do that, He listens and He “talks back”.
 
The prevailing argument that I have encountered is that we should speak to God alone, and there is no reason whatsoever for us to talk with people who have died physically. But speaking to God alone does not resolve issues between one human to another.

You actually are supporting my position (not disagreeing with me) in telling how God brought your daughter to you and let you guys work out your issues. Instead of doing it alone, He took the most logical step in allowing you two to communicate.

The Bible teaches several examples where our relationship with God is blocked by an issue with other people. If we cannot forgive our brothers, God cannot forgive us. So how do we resolve these issues once our “brother” is dead? Often the blockage between ourselves and God is not fixed until we make peace with our brother. 🙂
We had no issues, actually, dear Tobias. She was a gift from God and I had her against all odds, staggering odds, in answer to my prayer. I told Him I would take “whatever You give me”. She was my 24/7 commitment for her entire life. I needed to see, to know, she is with God in Paradise, and He allowed that (more than once). You’re correct about forgiveness, it’s absolutely necessary or God is “blocked” by our free will. Hard to do, but must be done; and, once done, is very freeing! About talking only to God: I know the Protestant denominations abhor our (Roman Catholic) love for our Blessed Mother and saints, they simply don’t understand it. St. Anthony has been a “pal” of mine since childhood. I was actually privileged to be in the house where he was born (in Lisbon) now turned into a church, last month. THAT was a surprise. He has done quite a good many remarkable things in answer to my prayers and so far God hasn’t seemed displeased lol.
 
Ha! My first impulse was to say how I’ve often felt very close to Joan of Arc, and have even considered her a friend at times. She too was a person who lived her life following voices, and has helped me deal with this by sharing her story with me and making it come alive.

Then I realized… I’ve only paid attention to half of it! I love the first half of her story; being called and given a mission, and the successes and failures that came from that. But I have ignored the latter part, where she was forced to stand up to the religious establishment and defend her faith in God against the “authorities” who claimed to know better than she.

This has been my trial over the past several years. The teachings of my church and the doctrines I know have been competing with the faith inside of me that simply knows I have been carefully following God.

I guess Joan came through for me once again! 👍
 
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