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Psychotheosophy
Guest
In general,
Why do “good” people,
Condone, and even defend,
Something which is clearly evil?
Why do “good” people,
Condone, and even defend,
Something which is clearly evil?
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bilop
Guest
Example please.
If they in fact support a clear evil, the answer would be that they are not good.
God Bless
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Snerticus
Guest
Yes, I think an example would help. 
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cpayne
Guest
It is evidently not “clearly” evil to them.
I think perhaps people are asking for an example because we’ve all seen modern intolerance; for example, someone who thinks abortion should be allowed, but who thinks smoking in a restaurant is “clearly evil.” I’m not putting you in that category; I’m saying that’s why folks want a definite example.
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Mystic_Warrior
Guest
Good and evil are subjective. We have to define what those are first.
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JDaniel
Guest
An interesting question.
In general, it would appear that “good” people have an innate desire, or better yet, overwhelming drive, we could define as the “need to know.”
jd
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Psychotheosophy
Guest
Here’s an example…
There is a book entitled,
“AA-1025: Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle.”
By Tan Publishing
An reputable catholic publisher
It is presented as actual memoirs
Of a communist atheist
Who violently hates the Catholic Church
And with great detail,
Explains becoming a priest to destroy it from the inside.
Along with many others throughout the world.
If this is true…
Why would Catholics clearly reject it?
Why would Catholics clearly accept it?
Does, “need to know” = goodness, relate?
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JDaniel
Guest
Well, I don’t think it’s as simple as “good vs evil”, or good people apposed to un-good people. I think it is more like a test, of sorts: “OK, here’s some really evil evility. I’ll just drag this around for a while to see if God will do something; show me something; evidence Himself by some sort of punishment of me, or, excoriation of the evility, or some other outburst.”
God is, to a lot of good people, like a balloon. We keep pushing at it in places to see if we can cause it to burst: to manifest itself to us, as a parent might (or, must) do with his, or her, child. After a child’s relentless prodding, a parent might take a switch to the unruly lad or lass.
Psychologists seem to think children risk prodding and pushing the parent to the brink in order to get the parents’ attention(s). Are we any different - as the children of God?
Are most of the atheists herein “evil” people? Or, are they the more unruly children who push the brink harder than we would think safe?
I am not attempting to answer your question in its entirity as your question is quite pregnant with conceptual potentials. This was simply the first thing that came to mind upon reading, then, re-reading your question.
jd
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Psychotheosophy
Guest
So,
Catholics would maintain
An acceptance
Of an existence of Anti-Apostles,
Because
They wait for an “outburst” Of God’s grace
To change their decision?
And
Catholics would maintain
A rejection
Of an existence of Anti-Apostles,
Because
They wait for an “outburst” Of God’s grace
To change their decision?
How would we know when this “outburst” occurs?
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MindOverMatter
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Mystic_Warrior
Guest
They are subjective to the person, regardless of absolute good or absolute evil.
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bilop
Guest
I don’t get it. I would say this militant atheist infiltrating the Church is an evil person doing evil. I don’t see the contradiction.
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Psychotheosophy
Guest
So,
If it were possible,
How could a faithful catholic,
Accept that this is a good person doing good?
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warpspeedpetey
Guest
because what is clearly evil in your opinion may not be so in G-ds.
in Genesis, satan tempts eve with a fruit that would make them as G-d, able to know good from evil.
in other words the only person who can correctly judge Good and Evil is G-d.
good people act in accord with G-ds will, not the larger societies view of good and evil.
so the answer is that ‘good people’ don’t condone or defend that which is clearly evil.
the question assumes that someone other than G-d has a G-d like ability to discern good from evil,
the desire of which is the foundation of the Fall.
therefore the question is flawed
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WarriorInChrist
Guest
You mention infiltration from the inside. It is obvious that the person was impersonating something good in order to trick Catholics so that when the truth comes out that he’s really an atheist, the goal would have been to shake as many peoples’ faiths as possible due to this event.
There was nothing ‘clear’ about it for those who were actually tricked into thinking the person was good.
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aucontraire
Guest
No they’re not!
Gangs are evil and gang members are evil.
And if you support them, you’re evil!
Wake up and smell the brimstone!
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aucontraire
Guest
Then is a gang member from a foreign country who commits crimes on US soil the same evil or is he a greater evil.
I’ll bet the militant atheist wasn’t planning on killing any priest or pushing drugs on them. The gang member is the greater evil.
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cpayne
Guest
It seems to me that
vague questions are
not really made any
clearer
by putting
them
into blank verse.
I’m not trying to = relate, or giraffe,
the intangible equations
of the.
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JDaniel
Guest
Hmmm. Somehow calling it an “outburst of God’s grace”, is hard for me to wrap around. But, you are correct. It would be nothing less than God’s grace. As far as “changing their decision”, I rather think they’ve already made up their minds that the acceptance of anti-apostles is not acceptable to God. Instead, I think, it’s more akin to a young person hanging out with unsavory friends much to the chagrin of a mom (or, dad). Ultimately, mom will come down on the kid - coincidentally, on the side of right, probably - but, at the very least, she will have inserted herself into the life-plasma surrounding her kid.
This, on the other hand, would seem to be more akin to an “unwillingness to take any chances”. This Catholic would be comfortable with, and confident of, God’s presence in his/her life-plasma surroundings. Understanding evility in the same manner as the aforementioned Catholic, this person simply confronts its proximity differently.
It is also possible that person “A” (your first Catholic) might perhaps even be pushing the envelope of his/her own faith questioning. While, person “B” might not need to.
Your final question, “How would we know when this ‘outburst’ occurs?” is the mystery. If you ask this question to person “A” you might get several, “. . . well, I don’t really know; I’m not really sure what I’m looking for; I’m just looking for something . . .”, answers.
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WarriorInChrist
Guest
Gangs and gang members, while they do carry out evil deeds and unsaintly things, they themselves, are definitely not evil. They are God’s children like each and every one of us with a soul. They simply made bad choices heavily influenced by what they saw growing up and how they were raised (or due to lack of being raised). We should pray for them like we pray for anyone else. After all, who was it that Jesus spent most of his time with? The rich and famous or the lowly thiefs, tax collectors, and prostitutes?
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