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Pieman333272
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What are some good arguments for free will over determinism? Are there any tests which demonstrate free will? I’ve heard a lot of arguments against it but few for it.
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Al_Moritz
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Try this link:
quodlibet.net/articles/williams-mind.shtml
Headings:
Determinism, Free Will and Moral Responsibility
Determinism and Rationality
Ground and Consequent
quodlibet.net/articles/williams-mind.shtml
Headings:
Determinism, Free Will and Moral Responsibility
Determinism and Rationality
Ground and Consequent
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Curious_Seed
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UnworthyApostle
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Let me state an argument said by Ayn Rand.
First, if everything is determined, this includes our knowledge.
If knowledge is determined, then there is no rational basis to hold it.
However, knowledge is rational, and therefore, determinism is refuted.
This is a simplistic version of the argument, but it captures the gist of it.
Much Blessings
-Custodis Verbum
First, if everything is determined, this includes our knowledge.
If knowledge is determined, then there is no rational basis to hold it.
However, knowledge is rational, and therefore, determinism is refuted.
This is a simplistic version of the argument, but it captures the gist of it.
Much Blessings
-Custodis Verbum
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Al_Moritz
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levinas12
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I like your article. It reminds me of Husserl’s arguments against psychologism (contra J.S. Mill).
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dmar198
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I wrote out a short “classical-type” argument for free will, based on the prior assumption (from Aristotle, Aquinas, etc.) that the soul is, first, rational, and, second, the principle of vitality by which our bodies enjoy the power of self-movement. Granted those two, I think free will follows by this argument: Free will can be proven to exist because the conditions necessary for it to exist are all in place. In the first place, you have the soul of man; this soul is a simple creature, very active in itself, but with potential to change; and this soul has two powers, among others: the power to reason and the power to will. Now the first act of the will is to decide or choose. And that this choice is free may be proved from the inherent power in the soul.
In the first place, for any change from one state to another to occur, there must be movement; this the soul already has, for it is, in itself, a being in a state of activity. Any motion of the soul can be expressed either in a movement of the intellect, in a movement of the will, or in the movement of some bodily organ, if it is united to a body.
In the second place, for any choice to occur, there must be options; to move or sit still, to choose A over B. A movement of the will is simply a movement of the soul, by reason directed to a certain option. The movement is possible because the soul is already, by its nature, in a state of some activity; the direction is possible because to direct to a goal is an act of the reason, or intellect, which the soul possesses. Thus you have in the soul all the things necessary for a free choice: independent movement, exterior options, and the possibility of direction toward one of those options. Free will exists because all the ingredients for it are there.
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CopticChristian
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There is freedom of Speech but no free speech
There is freedom of will, but no free will.
Not even God has free will.
There is freedom of action but no free action
So then what makes the speech, action, will not free?
You confuse the Creator with the creature. If we are created with free will and if as I believe and is taught by the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church that we are to align our will with the Will of God, the Will of God has no adjective. It is the Spirit that searches the mind of God and He will bless who he blesses and he will curse who he curses as is according to His Will.
Even God has no free will is limiting your creator and whatever your beliefs are if you believe this then you need to rethink things.
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