Defending Saint Joseph

[Beaver]

A functional marriage is defined in the garden before the fall. Notice that marriage is NOT between a man and a woman but there is the REAL PRESENSE. A dysfunctional marriage is what we observe after the fall and it is just between a man and a woman. We find the man and woman in argument as to which one of them is God. I ate of the fruit too.

This bickering requires a solution and ever solution man comes up with is SIN. Cain solution was the murder of his brother Abel. The solutions go on and on; drugs, same sex marriage, divorce, adultery just to name a few.

When the INCARNATION occurred again we have a functional marriage centered on the REAL PRESENSE. When we meditate on the fifth joyful mystery, we see the difference between the new Adam and Eve and the old. Saint Joseph and Mary sought out the REAL CENTER of their marriage for three days and Adam and Eve did not even try.

Most of us do not even try to center our marriages on the REAL PRESENSE, no we seek other remedies, the cultural and social solutions which bring a nation to its knees.

So it is that we see that Christ is the REAL PRESENCE and Saint Joseph is the new Adam. Which Adam and Eve are we going to imitate.

The source for “Guardian of the Redeemer” is on the Vatican or EWTN Websites. Search for “REDEMPTORIS CUSTOS “. John Paul the Great referred to this exhortation in his Theology of the Body. When we take this exhortation back to the beginning we see that Adam was to guard the REAL PRESENSE. They lost the REAL PRESENSE, the pearl of great price, not each other. One does not usually fail guarding something unless they have loss it.

The church has lost site of the significance of the REAL PRESENSE and so have we. It pays to read the scriptures daily, you will come up with a better understanding of your faith and your culture.

LINK: ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2CUSTO.HTM

 

[Agricola]

Beaver:

A functional marriage is defined in the garden before the fall. Notice that marriage is NOT between a man and a woman but there is the REAL PRESENSE.

Dear Beaver,

Do you mean this that before the fall marriage was between a man, a woman, and God? The union of man and woman in marriage was ordained “from the beginning” (Matt. 19:4-6, Gen. 1:27-28), as it says in the Gospel. It was by necessity a fruitful union, because man was made in God’s image, and God’s love is fruitful.

Beaver:

A dysfunctional marriage is what we observe after the fall and it is just between a man and a woman. We find the man and woman in argument as to which one of them is God. I ate of the fruit too.

This is a good point. All must struggle to keep Christ at the center of their marriage. This is the original position of marriage, that God be the only thing between a husband and wife. When Christ is not the center, the man and the woman are both trying to be the center, and there is conflict.

Beaver:

When the INCARNATION occurred again we have a functional marriage centered on the REAL PRESENSE. When we meditate on the fifth joyful mystery, we see the difference between the new Adam and Eve and the old. Saint Joseph and Mary sought out the REAL CENTER of their marriage for three days and Adam and Eve did not even try.

An example of the centering of one’s marriage around God is found in the book of Tobit. Three days Tobias spent in prayer with Sarah, his bride (Tob. 8:4). This is something that I think is beautiful and a tradition to be found.

The church has lost site of the significance of the REAL PRESENSE and so have we.

To a large extent we have lost the significance to the “Real Presence”. However, the Church (if by church you mean HRC Church) has never lost sight of this, and has been steadfast in its representation to the people of God, who continue to reject it as from the hand of God Adam rejected the gift of grace.

On another thread I found this link ( myweb.tiscali.co.uk/renewaluk/gn0205/g0205se1.htm ). It makes Christ the center of marriage in the form of a noble tradition… a tradition that is easily understood, and a tradition that is founded upon the true meaning of marriage.

God bless,

Agricola

 

[tom.wineman]

Don’t you have this very same thread posted in the Apologetics forum as Who is the new Adam?

 

[Beaver]

Agricola:

Dear Beaver,

Do you mean this that before the fall marriage was between a man, a woman, and God? The union of man and woman in marriage was ordained “from the beginning” (Matt. 19:4-6, Gen. 1:27-28), as it says in the Gospel. It was by necessity a fruitful union, because man was made in God’s image, and God’s love is fruitful.

This is a good point. All must struggle to keep Christ at the center of their marriage. This is the original position of marriage, that God be the only thing between a husband and wife. When Christ is not the center, the man and the woman are both trying to be the center, and there is conflict.

An example of the centering of one’s marriage around God is found in the book of Tobit. Three days Tobias spent in prayer with Sarah, his bride (Tob. 8:4). This is something that I think is beautiful and a tradition to be found.

To a large extent we have lost the significance to the “Real Presence”. However, the Church (if by church you mean HRC Church) has never lost sight of this, and has been steadfast in its representation to the people of God, who continue to reject it as from the hand of God Adam rejected the gift of grace.

On another thread I found this link ( myweb.tiscali.co.uk/renewaluk/gn0205/g0205se1.htm ). It makes Christ the center of marriage in the form of a noble tradition… a tradition that is easily understood, and a tradition that is founded upon the true meaning of marriage.

God bless,

Agricola

Thank you for this link, God bless…