Defining "the whole of scripture"

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I think the topic “the whole of scripture” needs a separate discussion. I therefor copy/paste my post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4434072&postcount=14

The whole of scripture forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost….56&postcount=4

Please ascertain true meaning by taking the Bible (OT and NT) as a whole* as one of our Catholic friends (TomaszA) has suggested in a later post here.

*We have to consider the Bible as a whole- TomaszA.

Please excuse me for a little editing of my above post.

I do agree that one should always take meanings that are deducible from the whole Revealed Books; be it Vedas, or Bible (Jews don’t believe the NT; but for Christian, I would be a little or more lenient to include OTBible and NTBible to make a whole) or Quran or any other revealed Book for that matter.

But for the NTBible one should always have following points in mind:

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that:

1. JesusYeshuaIssa did not leave the Word of God or anything in writing revealed on him from GodAllahYHWH in the form of stone tablets as was in the case of Moses.
2. Or anything written by JesusYeshuaIssa himself as a biography when he left from Galilee, after the incident of Crucifixion, along with his mother Mary in search of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel, he died natural and peaceful death in Kashmir, India.
3. Jesus left nothing behind authenticated by him, in possession of the Church, as there was none in existence.
4. We do respect the NTGospels which have a little account of Jesus life, but it does not have much utility for a non-Catholic except that we may treat it as a book of history subject to scrutiny, internal as well as external, for each bit of event for finding truth in it on merit.

120+ writers

There are about 120+ writers who wrote a sort of history books about the time of Jesus, that could be logically accepted as a historical source and truth could be searched/extracted out of it like we do from other sources of history on merit of each bit of event unbiased.

All these 120+ books must be treated at par but unfortunately some have been selected by the clergy arbitrarily and are known as NTBible while others have been discarded. This shows their bias, in my opinion.

I don’t want to be off-topic.

But I must conclude here that Jesus was a Jew and one of their most intelligent one, apart form his being a Messenger of GodAllahParmesherYHWH.

His duty was only to confirm the OTBible and to enforce its teachings. So logically anything mentioned in the NTBible must be in principle truly deducible from OTBible in unequivocal and straight forward terms. The words/texts/meanings (in NTBible) which do not conform to the usage in the OTBible should therefore be not paid, in my opinion, any worthwhile attention.

This would be against Jesus’ mission set for him by GodAllahParmesherYHWH.

This is my sincere opinion; others are not bound by it, and they may believe freely what they think is the truth with reasonable, logical and rational arguments.

Thanks

 

[wisdomseeker]

I read and do not understand exactly what is your point.

are you saying that the NT is not in conformity with the OT?

if this is the case, then which books other than the NT are?

“Believe in God believe also in me.” Jesus said to the disciples.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Yesterday I was searching google on the subject “the whole of scripture”, I came across the following article:

“Rightly Interpreting the Bible” by Ron Rhodes

home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Interpretation.html

The article is iteresing and by and larg well prepared, except at certain places where he has made mistakes and had made thigs topsy turvy.

One may read the article, if one likes.

I intend to discuss some points here, where he had subjugated, in my opinion, Jesus and the Prophets as followers to Paul and the Catholic Church.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Peace

Just to refresh the thread.

Thanks

 

[Reuben_J]

Hi

I think the topic “the whole of scripture” needs a separate discussion. I therefor copy/paste my post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4434072&postcount=14

The whole of scripture forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost….56&postcount=4

Please ascertain true meaning by taking the Bible (OT and NT) as a whole* as one of our Catholic friends (TomaszA) has suggested in a later post here.

*We have to consider the Bible as a whole- TomaszA.

Please excuse me for a little editing of my above post.

I do agree that one should always take meanings that are deducible from the whole Revealed Books; be it Vedas, or Bible (Jews don’t believe the NT; but for Christian, I would be a little or more lenient to include OTBible and NTBible to make a whole) or Quran or any other revealed Book for that matter.

But for the NTBible one should always have following points in mind:

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that:

1. JesusYeshuaIssa did not leave the Word of God or anything in writing revealed on him from GodAllahYHWH in the form of stone tablets as was in the case of Moses.
2. Or anything written by JesusYeshuaIssa himself as a biography when he left from Galilee, after the incident of Crucifixion, along with his mother Mary in search of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel, he died natural and peaceful death in Kashmir, India.
3. Jesus left nothing behind authenticated by him, in possession of the Church, as there was none in existence.
4. We do respect the NTGospels which have a little account of Jesus life, but it does not have much utility for a non-Catholic except that we may treat it as a book of history subject to scrutiny, internal as well as external, for each bit of event for finding truth in it on merit.

120+ writers

There are about 120+ writers who wrote a sort of history books about the time of Jesus, that could be logically accepted as a historical source and truth could be searched/extracted out of it like we do from other sources of history on merit of each bit of event unbiased.

All these 120+ books must be treated at par but unfortunately some have been selected by the clergy arbitrarily and are known as NTBible while others have been discarded. This shows their bias, in my opinion.

I don’t want to be off-topic.

But I must conclude here that Jesus was a Jew and one of their most intelligent one, apart form his being a Messenger of GodAllahParmesherYHWH.

His duty was only to confirm the OTBible and to enforce its teachings. So logically anything mentioned in the NTBible must be in principle truly deducible from OTBible in unequivocal and straight forward terms. The words/texts/meanings (in NTBible) which do not conform to the usage in the OTBible should therefore be not paid, in my opinion, any worthwhile attention.

This would be against Jesus’ mission set for him by GodAllahParmesherYHWH.

This is my sincere opinion; others are not bound by it, and they may believe freely what they think is the truth with reasonable, logical and rational arguments.

Thanks

I also don’t know what you really want. From this post it seems you already made up your mind on what should be done and should not. Therefore I don’t know what to comment except that your belief is quite different from that of Christians and maybe even among the Muslims, if you are really a Muslim.

 

[cthulhubryan]

Hi

1. Or anything written by JesusYeshuaIssa himself as a biography when he left from Galilee, after the incident of Crucifixion, along with his mother Mary in search of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel, he died natural and peaceful death in Kashmir, India.

Thanks

Okie Dokie. Where do you get the idea that Jesus died in India?

Unless this Jesus Yeshualssa fellow is another man named Jesus who took his mother to India, but how does this relate to Christianity or indeed to any reality at all?

 

[paarsurrey]

Okie Dokie. Where do you get the idea that Jesus died in India?

Unless this Jesus Yeshualssa fellow is another man named Jesus who took his mother to India, but how does this relate to Christianity or indeed to any reality at all?

Hi

One does not have to get confused. Search for truth makes one stronger, in my opinion .

The first and primary source on “Jesus was not killed on Cross” – but Jesus later died naturally in Kashmir, in India is the pristine Word of God revealed on the PromisedMessiah **Second Coming **1835-1908.

The Word of GodAllahYHWH is and had been the first/authentic and primary source of human knowledge whether revealed on Moses/Buddha/Jesus/Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; it is of itself a complete and without doubt source and requires no external witnessing.

God bless you!

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Further to my previous post.

Then **Second Coming **1835-1908 wrote a book on Jesus not dieing on Cross and dieing a natural and peaceful death in India titled “Jesus in India”

alislam.org/library/books…dia/index.html.

1. Introduction: This mentions as to how Jesus not dieing on Cross is peace promoting in the world.
2. Chapter-1: gives arguments from deep study of Bible that Jesus did not die on Cross.
3. Chapter-2: is on the evidence of the Holy Quran and authentic traditions in proof of Jesus’ survival from the Cross.
4. Chapter-3: evidence derived from the books of medicine of that time that Jesus survived death in cosequence of crucifixion.
5. Chapter-4: Evidence from books of history:

SECTION 1: Evidence from ancient Islamic books which contain a mention of Jesus’ journey towards India.

1. SECTION 2: Evidence from books on Buddhism.
2. SECTION 3: On the evidence from books of history which show that the coming of Jesus to the Punjab and neighboring territories was inevitable.

One may read the book as a whole, a short book, or the chapter one feels most interested.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus …took his mother to India
…
but how does this relate to Christianity or indeed to any reality at all

Hi

Paul erected the whole structure of Christianity on just one mythical belief of “Jesus cursed death on Cross”. He himself accepted this.

This is , therefore, directly concerned with Christianity and Reality; a very close relationship, in my opinion.

You are welcome to research. God bless you!

Thanks