Desperate Housewives Moral Question

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In Desperate Housewives one of the women doesn’t want a baby but her husband does. She uses artificial birth control. The husband substitutes placebos for the birth control pills. She becomes pregnant either by her husband or a teen-age, boy-toy gardner. Was it sinful for the husband to deceive the wife?
 
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In Desperate Housewives one of the women doesn’t want a baby but her husband does. She uses artificial birth control. The husband substitutes placebos for the birth control pills. She becomes pregnant either by her husband or a teen-age, boy-toy gardner. Was it sinful for the husband to deceive the wife?
…i would vote yes, but isn’t this just a fictional TV show…
…i try to stick more to reality… you can tell by my visuals:D
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Huh. Interesting question. I guess it was immoral, after all “the ends don’t justify the means”. Still, not saying his wife didn’t deserve it. She sounds like something of a, well…let’s just say I don’t like what I’ve heard about Desperate Housewives. Don’t all the heroines in that show have boy-toys? Looovely.:tsktsk:
 
I wonder how the show depicts the dilemna. Do they show it as the Husband getting his just deserts and being cuckolded by his own deception, while the wife is just an innocent victim of circumstance?

I’ve often heard the justification of Desp. Housewives as being that the show depicts the awful consequences of these women’s choices. But is there any redemption in it? Like is there any character who is making the right choices?
 
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In Desperate Housewives one of the women doesn’t want a baby but her husband does. She uses artificial birth control. The husband substitutes placebos for the birth control pills. She becomes pregnant either by her husband or a teen-age, boy-toy gardner. Was it sinful for the husband to deceive the wife?
Yes, it was sinful. You don’t ever force an adult not to sin against themselves. You can force children to go to mass, you can force people from sinning against other people (theft, murder, etc.), but you should never force an adult to make the moral choice. That is a sin. Would you physically force your spouse to attend mass with you? I’m not talking threaten, or begging. Literally, would you put a gun to his head and say he has to go to mass. If you wouldn’t then you shouldn’t switch the birth-control pills.
 
I do not have the answer, but will think aloud a little. She has sinned in not wanting to conceive in the first place. This is a serious sin, against the teaching of the Church. On the other hand, the husband was possibly sinful in what he did in deception, but was he really wrong in trying to following the Church teachings regarding having a child if that was the only way possible? Interesting delemia, because of the deceit and the fact that the end does not justify sinful means. I wonder, if in this case, seeking a divorce and an annulment would have been the best solution. That way he could remarry and have children and she could repent or continue to reject God as she wants.
 
Please, please, please tell us you’re kidding. C’mon, what’s the punch line?
 
Trying to find morality in a show that is written specifically to scramble moral values is impossible. It is difficult to find any morally redeeming values in any of the characters.

Noblity, honesty, integrity are totally foreign concepts for this show.

BUT I like to tune in anyway to watch all the carnage… it’s like trying to pass up a big traffic accident without taking a peek at what might be left of the wreakage. :rotfl:
 
Interesting question. I saw this show, and I do believe that he would be guilty of some form of deception - maybe tampering with another person’s personal property. A similar question would be, what if it was the wife that wanted to be pregnant and the husband didn’t want a child? Suppose the wife “forgets” to take her pill when the husband thinks she is on them? I think there would be something wrong with that, too, since the couple is supposed to decide together whether or not to have a child. A wife should at least inform her husband if she plans to go off the pill and give him a chance to abstain if he doesn’t want a child.
 
Such deception would have to be sinful, but cheating on a husband is a way bigger deal. Next problem is that for the wife, the child will still be unwanted – she was taking the pill for a reason. What if she gets an abortion? And when the child is born, as I said, it’s going to be the counterpart of a broken condom child. Still, someone would have to obtain the abortion and treat the child as unwanted and that wouldn’t be the husband.
 
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In Desperate Housewives one of the women doesn’t want a baby but her husband does. She uses artificial birth control. The husband substitutes placebos for the birth control pills. She becomes pregnant either by her husband or a teen-age, boy-toy gardner. Was it sinful for the husband to deceive the wife?
Probably more sinful to see the show.
 
I’m surprised at how definite folks have been in saying Carlos (the husband on the show) “sinned” in replacing Gabrielle’s (the wife’s) birth control pills with placebos.

The thing is: neither of them is practicing their Catholic faith, although Gabrielle has twice been shown going to a priest for advice. She went to the priest the first time to come clean about her affair with John, their then 17-year-old gardener while sitting with her mother-in-law, who was in a coma. She knew what she was doing was a serious sin. The priest even told her it was a mortal sin, and even mentioned hell, if I remember correctly. The second time was in asking the priest who she should be angry with for being pregnant. She told the priest of Carlos’ pill tampering, and also of her falling back into sin with John, the now former gardener. She also told the priest that she knew it was a sin to be contracepting, and even mentioned that birth control pills are usually 99% effective (I’m not sure that’s accurate, but it may be close). The priest told Gabrielle that she might consider that God was working in that 1% and she responded, “You just had to get that in didn’t you.” The priest encouraged her to remember that children are a blessing and a gift from God.

Gabrielle described herself as being selfish and self absorbed. She added that Carlos is so selfish and self absorbed that he doesn’t even see how selfish and self absorbed she is.

continued…
 
All of the stuff going on in the Carlos/Gabrielle/John story line involves sin and selfishness. Carlos wanted a baby with his wife. That’s not a sin. He was dishonest with her in replacing the pills with placebos, but that isn’t really a sin, and certainly not a mortal sin. One post described it as forcing Gabrielle to do the right thing and compared it to forcing a spouse to go to Mass at gunpoint. I think that is not an appropriate comparison. Because the marriage act involves two people, it is wrong for one person to force their contraceptive mentality on their spouse (which is what Gabrielle was doing). Carlos was not obligated to go along with it, and he decided not to contracept anymore. Hopefully he knew Gabrielle would never get an abortion, and so he figured he would do what he did and deal with the consequences later. I’ve heard of wives skipping their pills on purpose for the same reason. I don’t think it is moral to force your spouse to contracept. And if anyone dares to say he forced her to get pregnant, I will think they are muddled in their thinking. The marriage act naturally leads to pregnancy. Only a contraceptive mentality sees pregnancy as an error or malfunction. Anyone who wishes to avoid pregancy morally must abstain from the marriage act. To be shocked that the marriage act leads to pregnancy is to think like a contraceptor. Even people using Church approved spacing methods must be open to life. So nobody engaging in the marriage act has any right to feel like they were tricked into their preganancy or forced into it. All that happened is that nature took its course (perhaps despite many obstacles to life deliberately willed by the couple).

Objectively speaking, Carlos and Gabrielle were sinning in using contraceptives at all. Carlos was also doing wrong by pretending to still approve of their use even after tampering with the pills. However, Gabrielle can’t get on any high horses here. She was sleeping with the gardener (recently 18) again and that’s why she’s afraid he’s the father. We could make a laundry list of all their sins and I suppose we could then make two lists, one for those sins that involve serious matter, and then one for those that don’t. Then we could figure out which of the ones involving serious matter fulfilled the requirements for mortal sin in Carlos and Gabrielle’s case; meaning those objectively serious sins that were done with sufficient reflection and full consent. But why bother? It’s just a TV show, and it doesn’t give us full insight into the hearts and minds of Carlos and Gabrielle (or anyone else on the show). All we can see is that they are doing things the Church teaches are objectively serious sins. Gabrielle seems to be aware of Church teaching (at least her conversations with the priest indicate this). I am not sure how ignorant she or Carlos are (objectively speaking). All I can judge are the actions themselves, not the agents performing the actions. But we already knew that what was being done was wrong, so it seems a bit silly to dig deeper.

I kind of think the moral question of the original post is a moot point. These two have been leading messy immoral selfish lives. (And I haven’t even gotten into Carlos’ embezzlement and illegal banking activities.)

What I like seeing is that Gabrielle still goes to the priest for help and she seems to want some connection to God and her faith, however tenuous, and however much she still gives in to sin. That is a ray of hope. Hopefully she will get better and be more open to God. Hopefully, her baby will be God’s way of making her more selfless. Hopefully she will also want her baby to be raised Catholic and take her own faith more seriously.

I doubt it though. All the drama in these shows comes through conflict and scandalous behavior. If all the characters were saints, there wouldn’t be as much drama.

Maybe they could do a show about how saints are persecuted for being holy and d by the world and that would involve conflict too, but it would still be depicting sin since the persecutors would be sinning in persecuting the saints.
 
If all the characters were saints, there wouldn’t be as much drama.
I find this statement a little strange, coming from my own experience. I’ve always been one to enjoy a bit of adventure. At first it seems like living a domestic life and pursuing holiness is dull.

Now, I view the domestic life and holiness as one mother of all adventures.

Time to sell your cloak and buy a sword.
 
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