Devotion to BVM more so than Christ?

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Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
 
I have never seen or heard of anything even close to what you are describing about devotion to Mary.

On the other hand, yes there are Catholics who don’t get into Marian stuff.
 
Welcome. I’m glad to hear you are considering converting. I’m a convert myself and I’ll, try to provide a little insight.
I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary.
This is actually all that would be required of you. You are not required to adopt any particular devotions.
Sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father?
The idea is that devotion to Mary is a path to Christ, and if you look at a lot of Marian devotions they generally point to Jesus. A good one to look up in the Angelus which is all about the incarnation. The Rosary similarly is all about meditating on incidents from Jesus life. No Catholic should have a devotion to Mary or any saint more than to God, that would go against the First Commandment.
Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary?
This would be unusual. The two most used Catholic prayers are the Lord’s Prayer and the Hail Mary. Pretty much every Catholic will use these two prayers regularly. Only one is a prayer to Mary.
Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM?
No, because Mary will lead you to Jesus. However, if there are particular devotions that make you uncomfortable, you don’t have to do them.
And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?
That is something someone could only really judge for themselves, but the key question is who is the ultimate route of your devotion. If someone saw Mary as a goddess (there have been cases of people who have subscribed to this view), that is a problem.
And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
Sure. You are not obliged to adopt any particular devotion, you can pick and choose which ones suit you. As long as you can acknowledge the role played by Mary and the saints and the Marian dogmas, this would not be a problem and you can always see over time if you want to try a particular devotion. There are equally plenty of devotions that are more about Jesus, e.g. Eucharistic adoration, devotion to Jesus Sacred Heart, the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Devotions are a matter of whatever works for you.
 
When Mary appears in an apparition, such as Lourdes or Fatima, she does so as an ambassador for her Son. She never accepts praise for herself alone. In both apparitions I cited, she asked we pray for sinners, that we do penance, that we be faithful to God. Like all the saints that is her focus–Christ and his redemption of the world for our salvation. She has no interest in being praised for herself as a human being, but rather asks for devotion to her in order to draw us closer to her Son. She calls to us, as does Wisdom in:

Proverbs 9
[4] “Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!”
To him who is without sense she says,
[5] "Come, eat of my bread
and drink of the wine I have mixed.

She invites us to fully partake of the sacraments, of the life of the Church, of wisdom that is found only in Christ’s family of which she is the spiritual mother. Those who cut Mary off as if she were a stranger and an interloper have no understanding of her place in our salvation. She was chosen by God to be the Theotokos, the God-bearer. She fulfilled God’s will perfectly. Why wouldn’t we want her prayers and to acknowledge her faithfulness and virtues? 🙂
 
Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary?
I just want to answer this one question.

No, one could not be a “Catholic in good standing” and never pray to God. (btw Christ IS God so there is no “or God”). For the simple reason that the Mass is entirely based on prayers to God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One cannot be a Catholic in good standing and never join in the prayers at Mass.

Catholics have no hard and fast rules when it comes to *private *devotions, however. I am sure there are some Catholics whose personal prayer life is dominated by prayers through Mary just as there are some who have special devotions of other types.
 
Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
I’ve never met Catholics who only pray to Mary. Some are quite devoted to her, but they don’t skip praying to Christ.

I consider myself a devout Catholic, and though I revere Mary and love her, I’m not much into Marian devotions. They just don’t resonate with me.
 
Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
What is essential is that you are able to assent to the dogmas. The rest is at your discretion.

There’s no requirement to accept any Marian apparition. The Church’s approbation is that an apparition is worthy of human credence.

If you choose to become Catholic, you will encounter individuals from time to time who have a piety that is very different from anything you might choose. Few are called to the ascetical life of a Saint Rose of Lima and few are called to the life of radical detachment and service of a Blessed Teresa of Calcutta.

That said, one also encounters some who are misguided. At times, one encounters people who are quite imbalanced or, sadly, whose mental health issues find some expression in a distorted piety. None of that, really, is a valid factor in assessing what the Church teaches.

Your questions are really questions properly asked to Mariology rather than individual Catholics who do not always faithfully represent the thought of that branch of theology.

To your specific questions:
  • No, a Catholic properly cannot be more devoted to Mary than to Christ – they would not be faithful to the Church’s mind at all.
  • No. In the Roman rite, rarely is Mary addressed in the liturgy directly. The liturgy is always directed to God. As private prayer should reflect the Church’s public prayer and be modeled on it, even if one had a profoundly Marian spirituality, it would be wrong to make Mary the sum focus of one’s prayer life. Devotion to Mary, when it is according to the mind of the Church, should lead to the adoration of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, to frequenting the sacraments, to participating in Mass, and so forth. Every day, one should be praying the prayer Jesus taught us, the Our Father. One could choose to pray the Hail Mary but that is a free choice.
  • Yes, one can be “too” devoted to the Blessed Virgin in certain senses and the Church is cognizant of that problem. When I was a professor of Mariology, I would spend a lecture period on the Mariology of the High Scholastics. I dare say that their theological concepts would be quite alien to most people today as they would be beyond the mean of how Mariology today approaches and speaks of Mary or how the Church formulates her expressions of thought on Mary.
Remember, too, the cautions that the Council Fathers had about Marian piety and its expression when they addressed this topic in Lumen Gentium, chapter 8, with my emphases:
67. This most Holy Synod deliberately teaches this Catholic doctrine and at the same time admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered, and the practices and exercises of piety, recommended by the magisterium of the Church toward her in the course of centuries be made of great moment, and those decrees, which have been given in the early days regarding the cult of images of Christ, the Blessed Virgin and the saints, be religiously observed.(22) But it exhorts theologians and preachers of the divine word to abstain zealously both from all gross exaggerations as well as from petty narrow-mindedness in considering the singular dignity of the Mother of God.(23*) Following the study of Sacred Scripture, the Holy Fathers, the doctors and liturgy of the Church, and under the guidance of the Church’s magisterium, let them rightly illustrate the duties and privileges of the Blessed Virgin which always look to Christ, the source of all truth, sanctity and piety. Let them assiduously keep away from whatever, either by word or deed, could lead separated brethren or any other into error regarding the true doctrine of the Church. Let the faithful remember moreover that true devotion consists neither in sterile or transitory affection, nor in a certain vain credulity, but proceeds from true faith, by which we are led to know the excellence of the Mother of God, and we are moved to a filial love toward our mother and to the imitation of her virtues. *
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

In other words, the Council Fathers found it necessary to issue a word of corrective that would re-orient and re-focus the place of Mary in the Church and in devotional life. That in part is why the Fathers voted not to issue a stand alone document on her but rather to fold their teachings about her into the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church – in other words, the mystery of the Mother of Jesus was, and could only be, properly understood in the light of the mystery of Christ and His Church and not in isolation…and they take great pains to express that in what they teach in Lumen Gentium.

No one is obliged to undertake any private devotion…be it the rosary or other expressions of piety. These are left to the discretion of each person to choose or not, as their personal tastes dictate.
 
Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
Well, then you accept all that you would be required to as a Catholic.

HOWEVER, great devotion to Mary is a very sure way to be close to Jesus, from my own experience, so I want to take a minute to explain it.

Now. Can we be devoted to Mary more than God? ABSOLUTELY NOT. God deserves the highest glory, the highest degree of honor. Before God, Mary is as important as friends or material things. Not at all before God.

HOWEVER, let me ask you, who do you talk to more? Your closest friends and family, or Jesus? For SOME rare people the answer would be Christ, but for most of us, it would be the friends and family. And there is nothing wrong with that as long as we maintain higher devotion to God.

I am sorry if that is jumbled, my POINT is, that one can have a greater devotion to God while still being in a habit of talking to Mary more.
Why? Mary is human just like us and the people we talk to. I talk to her just like I talk to my friends at youth group. Now, I do NOT talk to her more than God. However, I give her great honor and spend time and energy on her.

Sorry, hope that made some sense. ⭕)
 
In the Bible, Mary said “Future generations will call me blessed.” That is why everytime you say Hail Mary, you also say “Blessed are thou amongst women and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb Jesus.” So you are blessing Them, and in return They will also bless you many times.
 
When Mary appears in an apparition, such as Lourdes or Fatima, she does so as an ambassador for her Son. She never accepts praise for herself alone. In both apparitions I cited, she asked we pray for sinners, that we do penance, that we be faithful to God. Like all the saints that is her focus–Christ and his redemption of the world for our salvation. She has no interest in being praised for herself as a human being, but rather asks for devotion to her in order to draw us closer to her Son. She calls to us, as does Wisdom in:

Proverbs 9
[4] “Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!”
To him who is without sense she says,
[5] "Come, eat of my bread
and drink of the wine I have mixed.

She invites us to fully partake of the sacraments, of the life of the Church, of wisdom that is found only in Christ’s family of which she is the spiritual mother. Those who cut Mary off as if she were a stranger and an interloper have no understanding of her place in our salvation. She was chosen by God to be the Theotokos, the God-bearer. She fulfilled God’s will perfectly. Why wouldn’t we want her prayers and to acknowledge her faithfulness and virtues? 🙂
Della, I love the comparison with Proverbs 9. Your explanation makes so much sense. I love Mother Mary and pray Hail Mary often.
 
Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
This Message was confided by Our Lord to Berthe Petit, a humble Franciscan Tertiary, born on January 23, 1870, at Enghien, Belgium:

“Teach souls to love the Heart of My Mother pierced by the very sorrows which pierced Mine.” (December 25, 1909)

brizek.com/prayer/pieta.htm

“Jesus Christ Himself revealed to Blessed Veronica of Binasco,
that, He is more pleased in seeing His Mother compassionated than
Himself.” He said to her: ‘My daughter, tears shed for My Passion are
dear to Me; but as I loved My Mother Mary with an immense love, the
meditation on the torments which She endured at My death is even
more agreeable to Me.’

fatima.org/essentials/requests/devotion_of_seven_sorrows.pdf
 
Hello all. I’m a Protestant considering Catholicism. As such, my biggest hurdle thus far has been with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can accept the official Catholic dogma on Mary. I can accept prayers to her as the most holy Saint who can intercede for us, but sometimes I see stuff here on the forums or when reading about the Marian apparitions and those people who are particularly devoted to her, and I wonder, is it acceptable in Catholic faith to be devoted to Mary moreso than to Christ or to God the Father? Can you be a Catholic in good standing and never pray to Christ or God, only pray to/through Mary? Is it possible in Catholic thought to be too devoted to the BVM? And who can say definitively whether a person is too devoted to Mary above his/her devotion to Christ?

And on the other side of the coin, is it possible to be a good Catholic and not have a particular devotion to Mary or the saints in general?
The Virgin Mary and Christ are so interdependent that prayers said for the one, is also a prayer for the other.
 
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